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re: Conceal Carry w/o a permit Bill filed today!
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:36 am to Ole Geauxt
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:36 am to Ole Geauxt
quote:I'm against it.
Maybe I'm not understanding completely,, but, I seem to have mixed emotions about that. Do y'all?
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:39 am to DownSouthDave
Yeah,, I'm not arguing or saying anybody is wrong in this,, just kinda looking at general population and will this actually hurt us in the long run? If some of the marginal population takes advantage of being able to now stick a hi pernt down his britches,,, just as long as he doesn't have a record? I hope not..
I have permit, etc., and I respect all that have taken courses, gone to the trouble/expense of getting theirs. If any could now pocket carry their hi pernt, just as long as he hasn't been arrested or convicted,, again, those marginal cases kinda make me think extra.
Eta: this issue is deeper than it appears on the surface..
I have permit, etc., and I respect all that have taken courses, gone to the trouble/expense of getting theirs. If any could now pocket carry their hi pernt, just as long as he hasn't been arrested or convicted,, again, those marginal cases kinda make me think extra.
Eta: this issue is deeper than it appears on the surface..
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:44 am to Ole Geauxt
I'm not a fan of penalizing the whole because of the actions of a few. I feel like the baseline should be conceal carry without a permit. You should have to work to lose that right, not have to work to attain it.
The cc class is exactly that, trouble and expense. And for what exactly? To prove that you have a couple hundred bucks laying around? Sure, you get a few facts in the class, but it is nowhere near anything that would qualify someone as responsible with a weapon. Just my 2 cents.
I would like to see it come to a vote, at least. The people should have an opportunity to decide. Too few people make decisions for too many.
The cc class is exactly that, trouble and expense. And for what exactly? To prove that you have a couple hundred bucks laying around? Sure, you get a few facts in the class, but it is nowhere near anything that would qualify someone as responsible with a weapon. Just my 2 cents.
I would like to see it come to a vote, at least. The people should have an opportunity to decide. Too few people make decisions for too many.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:46 am to Ole Geauxt
quote:
Maybe I'm not understanding completely,, but, I seem to have mixed emotions about that. Do y'all?
I am too. I know a whole bunch of people who I would cringe if I knew they were carrying a pistol
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:49 am to AlxTgr
quote:
I'm against it.
Why? Most people who carry take the time to practice and train. People are fine with cops carrying guns everywhere yet departments always complain about lack of ammo for qualification and extra practice. People who own guns generally don't complain about not having the money to buy ammo.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:49 am to DownSouthDave
I respect that, I really do, and feel some/ alot of that..
But,, the bill really has a bunch of layers, and if passed, I'd hope that nothing comes back and bites us in the butt. Jus sayin'.
But,, the bill really has a bunch of layers, and if passed, I'd hope that nothing comes back and bites us in the butt. Jus sayin'.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:49 am to ChatRabbit77
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Probably not. I wouldn't even if I could though. If you ever travel to other states, you will want that permit.
Right. If it allows me to drive from LA to NC without having to stop at every state line and make sure my weapon is in one of the many various legal states of condition, then $25/year is an easy price to pay.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:51 am to Broke
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I am too. I know a whole bunch of people who I would cringe if I knew they were carrying a pistol
I cringed at the thought of 50% of my last CC class carrying a pistol as well.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:55 am to upgrayedd
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I cringed at the thought of 50% of my last CC class carrying
And there's your answer. From a guy who knows. Bunches of crazies out there, could now be packing without the least bit of training or knowledge.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:57 am to upgrayedd
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I cringed at the thought of 50% of my last CC class carrying a pistol as well.
There ya go,,, now think about a certain percentage of the population that can possibly legally go get em a new hi pernt and have it at the car wash on the weekend.
Would that make you cringe?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:04 am to Ole Geauxt
Let me go on the record and say that I am in NO way agreeing with the snake lovin' hippy in callyfornya.
I'm just saying that, there's a lot more to think about on this one than just what we see.
I'm just saying that, there's a lot more to think about on this one than just what we see.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:10 am to cdaniel76
You won't be able to carry in other states without the permit. It's a 5 year permit guys. I hope it gets vetoed.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:11 am to Mung
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Bunches of crazies out there
Precisely. That's part of the reason I feel that everyone should be able to tote a gun if they feel like it. Firearms aren't a privelidge, they're a right. You shouldn't have to prove that you can carry one, you should have to prove that you can't.
I'm pretty surprised to see the amount of people on here that are not sure about it. Against concealed carry as a right is really kind of a liberal position. The same people you're worried about carrying without a license are people who can get a license now. There is no difference.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:19 am to DownSouthDave
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kind of a liberal position
With tons of respect, frick you.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:25 am to cdaniel76
I no longer live in LA so this really doesn't apply to me but... I would say a large part of the rationalization behind the bill has to do w/ CC vs. Open Carry. Why is there no permit required to open carry? No classes, no training, no permit, etc. However, if you want to carry yet conceal it, you have "hoops" to jump through? That's just a guess though.
As far as whether I agree or not? 100% would be for this bill. A CC permit is just one more restriction placed on law abiding citizens. Because law abiding citizens are the only people that are going to obtain a CC permit through proper channels.
As far as whether I agree or not? 100% would be for this bill. A CC permit is just one more restriction placed on law abiding citizens. Because law abiding citizens are the only people that are going to obtain a CC permit through proper channels.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:26 am to Ole Geauxt
I just figure if you want to conceal carry bad enough, you can go through the motions of taking the class, paying the fees and all that. Nothing out of the ordinary to the average law abiding, working class, tax paying citizen.
Sure, Jamarcus and them will have a hi point shoved in each pocket, just like they always have, but now the cops cant do a damn thing about it.
My FIL has gotten pulled over a few times for speeding, presented his concealed card and the cops started shooting the shite about guns, etc and let him go on his way.
There will be nothing to set anyone apart anymore.
Sure, Jamarcus and them will have a hi point shoved in each pocket, just like they always have, but now the cops cant do a damn thing about it.
My FIL has gotten pulled over a few times for speeding, presented his concealed card and the cops started shooting the shite about guns, etc and let him go on his way.
There will be nothing to set anyone apart anymore.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:28 am to Polar Pop
quote:
nothing to set anyone apart anymore.
Marksmanship
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:35 am to Ole Geauxt
quote:
There ya go,,, now think about a certain percentage of the population that can possibly legally go get em a new hi pernt and have it at the car wash on the weekend.
Would that make you cringe?
My point was that just because you have a permit doesn't mean you're a responsible or safe CC-er. I assume your biggest reason for wanting a permitting process is so the police can easily throw ne'er-do-well's into prison easier?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:35 am to BRgetthenet
Landscape vs portrait
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:37 am to Ole Geauxt
No offense, but it really is.
It's a tax on those who want to carry. It's an assault on personal liberties. It gives the government just a little more control of your life.
All for what? Having the license only sets you apart from everyone else because you went through the hassle to get it. You don't have to be knowledgeable, qualified or even responsible to have a ccl. You just have to pay.
It's a tax on those who want to carry. It's an assault on personal liberties. It gives the government just a little more control of your life.
All for what? Having the license only sets you apart from everyone else because you went through the hassle to get it. You don't have to be knowledgeable, qualified or even responsible to have a ccl. You just have to pay.
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