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re: Ducks short stopped or is it weather?
Posted on 9/25/21 at 4:37 pm to Insurancerebel
Posted on 9/25/21 at 4:37 pm to Insurancerebel
Duck Dynasty ruined duck hunting
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Posted on 9/25/21 at 5:31 pm to Insurancerebel
I moved from LA to MN
I fish a reservoir that is a designated duck sanctuary. It has been slammed with teal for weeks. This morning was the first time I’ve seen mallards.
They may not have made their way down to y’all, as they’re just showing up here and I’m 1000 mi north. Anecdotal so take it FWIW
I fish a reservoir that is a designated duck sanctuary. It has been slammed with teal for weeks. This morning was the first time I’ve seen mallards.
They may not have made their way down to y’all, as they’re just showing up here and I’m 1000 mi north. Anecdotal so take it FWIW
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:19 pm to Insurancerebel
Missouri. They're all in Missouruh.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:34 pm to jimjackandjose
quote:they are all in Cenla. Our woods fill up w them.
dont see near the Robins I saw as a kid. Migration patterns change.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:44 pm to Insurancerebel
Lots of variables. But there are still ducks down here. Coastal erosion doesn't help though. Nor, does duck hunting becoming way more prevalent in the MS and Central Flyway. I will say, whoever invented those ice eaters that hook up to generators and unfreeze ponds up north was a genius.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:01 pm to LSUA 75
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Wild turkeys-how much impact do you think wild hogs and population explosion of raccoons have had on the number of turkeys.
It’s crazy how many coons there are these days.No one traps anymore,widespread corn feeding of deer.Also I don’t think many people coon hunt anymore.
Habitat Management (or lack thereof) and Spring weather patterns have a bigger impact than predators in my opinion. If you have quality habitat--ESPECIALLY for nesting and brooding--you can overcome alot of the predator issues.
I don't believe hogs play much of a role in the population decline, aside for the impacts they have on habitat condition. Hogs are opportunistic feeders. They aren't hunting down turkey nests or deer fawns, contrary to what many hunters believe. They are having seriously adverse impacts on habitat and directly compete for food.
As far as the topic at hand, and the concept of "short-stopping"--well, I just don't buy into that argument. If the weather gets cold enough and food sources get snowed over and water freezes over, ducks are going to move south. I don't care how many refuges there are or how much ag practices have changed. Those things don't matter if you get harsh winters.
I think the problem is, we aren't really seeing those conditions until much later, if at all. We might get a really strong cold front in early November, and then not touch the lower 30s again until January or February.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:41 am to Cowboyfan89
Remove the splits and start season in mid December until mid February in Louisiana. Betcha we’ll have more fun.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 7:01 am to Insurancerebel
Im no scientist. But.
Habitat loss has to be a factor as well, when considering south LA.
I’d argue pressure is pretty big too. I can’t think of many other places that pressure birds like Louisiana.
You ever notice how many just appear when the seasons over?
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changes in agriculture
Habitat loss has to be a factor as well, when considering south LA.
I’d argue pressure is pretty big too. I can’t think of many other places that pressure birds like Louisiana.
You ever notice how many just appear when the seasons over?
Posted on 9/26/21 at 7:03 am to LSUA 75
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It’s crazy how many coons there are these days.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:25 am to Insurancerebel
Damn yanquees been short stopping' our ducks for decades!
Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:51 am to Koolazzkat
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Betcha we’ll have more fun.
I'd take your money. Let's set aside the fact that Federal Regulations prevent the season from running later than January 31. Having hunters pressure ducks nonstop for 2 months isn't going to improve the experience. You know why it seems like ducks all of a sudden show up in February? Because no one is shooting at them anymore. Go look at any refuge throughout the season and after--the numbers don't all of a sudden blow up in February.
Why not? Wouldn't it make sense to have more birds where there are already birds? Obviously that's a safe location. If anything, the numbers go down in those areas because the birds can spread out.
It's the same for every other hunted species. Deer become less visible once hunting season opens. Turkeys? Same thing. But close the season for a few weeks, and boom--you start seeing animals again.
Pressured animals seek safety.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 9:04 am to Cowboyfan89
That’s the whole damn problem, feds running it. I still think a later season would be more enjoyable regardless of what the government says is best.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:16 am to Koolazzkat
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That’s the whole damn problem, feds running it.
The states get to set their seasons within a fairly broad framework. And we are talking about transcontinental (and sometimes intercontinental) species--the only way to ensure the conservation of the species is for the feds to be involved.
Can you imagine the bitching if Kansas, Arkansas, and other states allowed people to shoot ducks for 6 months and shoot 12 a day while baiting, but Louisiana only allowed 2 months and 6 ducks and no baiting?
Posted on 9/26/21 at 4:46 pm to Cowboyfan89
How much rice is under cultivation in Calcasieu and Cameron Parishes? I'll bet that has affected the SW part of the state.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 4:59 pm to Insurancerebel
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What do you all think is happening to the duck migration?
Are they being short stopped?
Is it changes in agriculture?
Is it lack of extended cold weather up north?
Changes in Agriculture + lack of cold weather up North = Short Stopping further North.
So all of the above.
I remember hunting the 3 duck limit days as a teenager. I seem remember seeing more back then even when the limit was 3.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:45 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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How much rice is under cultivation in Calcasieu and Cameron Parishes? I'll bet that has affected the SW part of the state.
Probably less than there was historically, especially in Cameron Parish, due to saltwater intrusion, conversion to pasture, or developments.
There's still quite a bit of rice in Calcasieu and Cameron, though. If there wasn't, there probably wouldn't be near as many ducks in SWLA.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:02 pm to Cowboyfan89
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still quite a bit of rice in Calcasieu and Cameron
The conversion to sugarcane is one thing hurting Vermilion, Acadia, etc. Don’t know how much of this is happening in those two parishes to the west
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:15 pm to Insurancerebel
Ax the flyway federation baws.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:39 pm to headedwest21
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The conversion to sugarcane is one thing hurting Vermilion, Acadia, etc. Don’t know how much of this is happening in those two parishes to the west
Not much at all. Pretty much stops in Jeff Davis around Lacassine. The prairie ground really isn't good for sugarcane.
I'll be surprised if cane lasts another 5 to 10 years west of Lafayette Parish/eastern Vermilion Parish. Some of it may in Acadia, but the extreme western stuff in Acadia and Jeff Davis will fail eventually. That cane always looks worse than anything in the alluvial areas of Iberia/St. Martin/St. Landry.
But the gradual conversion to sugarcane has definitely hurt ducks in those areas.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 7:43 pm to SlidellCajun
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If the food is available, they won’t migrate
Louisiana used to lead the nation in rice production, now they're a distant third behind Arkansas. My uncle's lease in Cameron Parish bordered 15,000 acres of rice and was a duck hunter's paradise in the 1970's. The rice fields were fallow by the time he stopped hunting the land in the 1990's. I guess sugar is more profitable...or more heavily subsidized.
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