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re: Light kicking rifle
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
A good recoil pad also helps. My dad's .270 is a joy to shoot compared to mine. Same gun (Savage, but his is SS) and same stock, but his came with a nice foam-type pad built into the butt. Also my 20 gauge kicked my arse when I shot it (I think I was 9 or 10) until my dad bought a recoil pad for it.
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Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:13 am to MapGuy
Zero reason to avoid the .243
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:15 am to MapGuy
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He's not very coordinated and will need a lot of bench time before I let him shoot at a live animal.
I'd suggest giving him a 22 with a scope for practice. Cheap to shoot and will help him learn to shoot. Don't bust his shoulder up making him shoot a larger rifle just to learn the mechanics. Definitely make him shoot the 7mm08 quite a few times though to get used to the recoil.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:17 am to Boats n Hose
A good muzzle break reduces felt recoil considerably. My .270 with the B.O.S.S. kicks much less than my dad's old remington. It sure is louder though which may be a downside for a kid.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:17 am to MapGuy
He won't have a problem with the 7mm08 as long as the stock isn't to big for him.
ETA: Major huge +1 on slick's suggestion of a .22 for practice. Or a gamo pellet gun. That's how I learned.
ETA: Major huge +1 on slick's suggestion of a .22 for practice. Or a gamo pellet gun. That's how I learned.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:19 am to Slickback
I'm going get a scope for my .22 today.
I prefer to shoot open sight but want the scope for his practice.
I have a friend with a .243 and a .223 and another with a 7mm-08 that my boy will be able to shoot.
I'm 4 to 6 months from getting him a rifle.. I will have him ready by the time we make a purchase.
I prefer to shoot open sight but want the scope for his practice.
I have a friend with a .243 and a .223 and another with a 7mm-08 that my boy will be able to shoot.
I'm 4 to 6 months from getting him a rifle.. I will have him ready by the time we make a purchase.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:20 am to MapGuy
Sounds like you're set up then.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:24 am to Stateguy
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My suggestion is buy him a full sized 700 and get a youth stock for it. That way he can just swap stocks in a few years. A full sized rifle is very easy to find and so is a youth stock, where as a youth 700 may not be the easiest thing to get your hands on.
A stock can be fitted pretty easily by a gunsmith, or you can do it yourself with some Youtube/MidwayUSA help. Make sure to accommodate clothing thickness. Just get a decent used rifle in one of the calibers mentioned (.223, .243, etc.) and adjust the length of pull accordingly.
Also, depending on what your shooting lanes will look like, you should possibly give some consideration to 20ga slugs in a youth shotgun.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 11:46 am to Stateguy
.257 Roberts Imp
Posted on 10/31/11 at 1:10 pm to 4X4DEMON
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I'd go with 7-08 as many have said, but deffinatly look for a real rifle, not the single shot rossi/h&r.
This!
From experience, bought my 11 yo son the 7mm-08 crack barrell just to hold over til we were ready to upgrade in a few years. Damn thing hurts me, much less letting him shoot it and the trigger pull is about 10 pounds. Year and a half later, we got the TC venture in the .308 and he has no problems with it.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 1:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I don't like the .243 for a kid. Been on to many bloodtrails with no blood due to the bullet blowing up on the shoulder blade.
Mine started with a .243 WSSM. Bullets don't blow up, but they sure hit hard. I've killed four deer with it and not one has taken over about three steps. Due to the velocity, it will "jellify" the wound channel, but other than that, no probs.
Outstanding coyote rifle. Is shoots longer and straighter than any other gun I have.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 2:10 pm to KCSBIGPAPA
Yeah many of the single shots kick like mules and are notoriously static
Posted on 10/31/11 at 2:11 pm to choupiquesushi
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single shots
Posted on 10/31/11 at 4:17 pm to CajunFootball
Recoil can be a problem for beginning deer hunters, but the modern factory produced "reduced/low/managed recoil" loads can help a great deal. A reduced recoil load in a 7-08 will have about the same recoil as a fully charged 243. When faced w/ the same decision a few years ago, I got my 10 y/o son a 308 Win. I'd suggest that as an option also as reduced recoil loads are available for the 308. (I'm not sure about such loads for the 7-08.) Get a youth model gun so it'll fit him better. When he gets bigger, you can get a longer stock, if needed. Fit it w/ a high quality recoil pad. (Limbsaver is my favorite.) If adults decide to shoot it, put a slip on recoil pad over the butt so the length of pull will better fit the adult. Don't try to make the gun super light as a lighter gun recoils more than a heavier gun. (e.g. Chambered in the same cartridge, a Handi-Rifle will kick more than a Savage bolt action.) Use BOTH ear plugs and ear muffs when he shoots the deer gun. When shooting from the bench, use sand bags, possibly placing one on the barrel fron stock (if doing so doesn't affect point of impact). Consider a thin sand bag between the shoulder and recoil pad. A muzzle break w/ reduce recoil, but the gun will seem to be much louder. Frequently, muzzle blast can contribute to a recoil sensitive shooter's problems. Start him off w/ a 22 LR as someone else mentioned.
Here's a handy rifle recoil table.
LINK
If you want to crunch some numbers to see what all can effect rifle recoil, here's a calculator.
LINK
Notice that a bigger cased uses more powder than a smaller cased cartridge. Because of this, a reduced recoil 30-06 will still recoil more than a reduced recoil 308 Win.
If you know a handloader, he might be willing to work up a reduced recoil load for you. I did this years ago for a friend who wanted his kids to shoot a 257 Roberts.
In addition to the aforementioned 6.5X55 and 7-08, other rounds known for being effective killing deer but also being gentle on the shooter would include the 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 7X30 Waters, 7X57 Mauser, 300 Savage and 30-30 Win. I'll catch flack over it, but I set the minimum deer hunting caliber for beginners at 25 caliber.
Here's a handy rifle recoil table.
LINK
If you want to crunch some numbers to see what all can effect rifle recoil, here's a calculator.
LINK
Notice that a bigger cased uses more powder than a smaller cased cartridge. Because of this, a reduced recoil 30-06 will still recoil more than a reduced recoil 308 Win.
If you know a handloader, he might be willing to work up a reduced recoil load for you. I did this years ago for a friend who wanted his kids to shoot a 257 Roberts.
In addition to the aforementioned 6.5X55 and 7-08, other rounds known for being effective killing deer but also being gentle on the shooter would include the 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 7X30 Waters, 7X57 Mauser, 300 Savage and 30-30 Win. I'll catch flack over it, but I set the minimum deer hunting caliber for beginners at 25 caliber.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/31/11 at 4:48 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
My .243 is at least 12 lbs....that sonofabitch is heavy. My dad has always taken our guns to state police shooting range to get zero'd. They've been amazed at how heavy it was, and how little kick it had.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 4:49 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Ruger M77 Hawkeye Compact. I met a guy with who had one this weekend, at first I thought it was a .17- it was a .308. Loved it so much that I'm buying one this Christmas.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 4:52 pm to CajunFootball
I forgot to mention my recommendation for 260 Remington as a light recoiling deer rifle. Basically same as 7-08 but with a 6.5 mm caliber bullet instead of 7 mm caliber. Might find it difficult locating ammo for 260 Rem. Also not sure if reduced loads are available.
When I bought my son's 308 Win, the runner up choice was the 7-08.
When I bought my son's 308 Win, the runner up choice was the 7-08.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 5:36 pm to Stateguy
.257, .243, 25-06, .223, 220 Swift
Posted on 10/31/11 at 8:21 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Basically same as 7-08 but with a 6.5 mm caliber bullet instead of 7 mm caliber.
.243, .260, 7mm-08, .308, .338 Fed and .358 Win - all first cousins. And some I never heard of until just now
Posted on 10/31/11 at 8:28 pm to offshoretrash
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7mm -08
Not just light recoil but probably the best all around choice for this part of the country.
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