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re: Mono backing for braid on spinning reels
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:51 pm to KemoSabe65
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:51 pm to KemoSabe65
quote:I really appreciate the info. I'm onboard!
6# braid is going to really suck and you will need tons of it to fill a 2500-3000 spool. 20# 832/Slick8 is plenty small enough.
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 3:22 pm to KemoSabe65
I'm going to have to use the electrical tape technique moving forward. I recently had about 350 yards of braid start slipping on a small snapper. Thankfully I was able to land. Spent 30 minutes free-spooling the line, then getting the knot tightened.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:59 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Tape will also corrode your spool in time so just be aware of that bonus. A couple wraps of mono will work better.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:07 pm to AwgustaDawg
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ultralight spinning reel....start with 10 pound of cheap mono and a grander marlin can't do it
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If the reel was set at 30 pounds because the line on it is thirty pounds when half the spool is ripped off or even as a result of casting a bait out the drag is exponentially higher than 30 pounds as a result of diminished spool diameter.
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the drag is exponentially higher
What the frick are you talking about?
I don't think you even know what the word "exponentially" means!
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:07 am to KemoSabe65
This is correct. Tape in saltwater is a risk
I use a little mono then double uni to the braid. After that, it is nothing but FG knots to the leader at all times.
For inshore, I use 10 or 15 pound braid on 2500 series reels. I have a few 3000’s.
I use a little mono then double uni to the braid. After that, it is nothing but FG knots to the leader at all times.
For inshore, I use 10 or 15 pound braid on 2500 series reels. I have a few 3000’s.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:16 am to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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What the frick are you talking about? I don't think you even know what the word "exponentially" means!
If the spool is full of line when you set the drag and then you lose half the line the force required to overcome the drag would be higher because the diameter of the spool is smaller.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:45 am to KemoSabe65
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Tape will also corrode your spool in time so just be aware of that bonus. A couple wraps of mono will work better.
Do you typically go with a little heavier mono for the backer or same test class?
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:51 am to civiltiger07
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If the spool is full of line when you set the drag and then you lose half the line the force required to overcome the drag would be higher because the diameter of the spool is smaller.
This is all true, but the use of the word exponentially was a bit over the top. Given the radius of the spool itself before line, losing half of your line may reduce the moment arm by 30%, so your drag force goes up by that same 30%. You also have to factor in that the spool starts to lose diameter faster as the spool gets smaller (1 foot of line on a full reel is probably 3 wraps around the spool, while it may be 8 wraps when the spool is low).
Posted on 8/14/25 at 8:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Correct, it is a linear change.
But regardless, just use a mono backer on everything. Life is simpler that way. I keep a few spools of cheapo depot ande mono on my workbench for that. It's like $10 for a half a mile of the stuff.
Tie it Uni to Uni and I know for a fact from my own experience that you'll get spooled before the braid to mono knot fails. I've seen the knot fly out the end of the rod and looked down in terror as the backer started flying off the spool, and eventually got it all back with a 20 pound jack on the end of it with a 200B calcutta. 0/10 experience, do not recommend.
But regardless, just use a mono backer on everything. Life is simpler that way. I keep a few spools of cheapo depot ande mono on my workbench for that. It's like $10 for a half a mile of the stuff.
Tie it Uni to Uni and I know for a fact from my own experience that you'll get spooled before the braid to mono knot fails. I've seen the knot fly out the end of the rod and looked down in terror as the backer started flying off the spool, and eventually got it all back with a 20 pound jack on the end of it with a 200B calcutta. 0/10 experience, do not recommend.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 8:53 am to tigerbait1970
Posted on 8/14/25 at 9:06 am to LanierSpots
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his is correct. Tape in saltwater is a risk
I use a little mono then double uni to the braid. After that, it is nothing but FG knots to the leader at all times.
For inshore, I use 10 or 15 pound braid on 2500 series reels. I have a few 3000’s
A bit of a thread drift but have you compared an FG to an albright side by side? On my heavier stuff, (80# mono top shot to 65# braid) The FG and other seem more bulky. It's always the mono loop I cant get tightened down enough to close the loop. It's better with the albright. The double uni has always worked for me braid to flouro leader, but heavy mono slips through the braid.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:26 am to XenScott
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(80# mono top shot to 65# braid)
I just dont fish stuff that big.
I do a lot of casting here. Lots of artificials and free line bait fish. I need the small knot. Most of the time, I use a shorter leader so the knot does not even go up in the tip when you need to cast but people still reel up too far.
That light line FG knot is money and no way I would change from it at this point. I started using it long time ago in freshwater with my very light line stuff on Lake Lanier and it has been money there and now here in the intercoastal.
I have however watched videos of captains who fish very heavy line, over 100 pound test, who use it. I have not used the albright much but if it is working for you, hang with it. It could just be personal preference.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:35 am to LanierSpots
quote:I do as well, and was shocked to see how long a leader a lot of the bass pros use.
I use a shorter leader so the knot does not even go up in the tip when you need to cast but people still reel up too far.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:48 am to AlxTgr
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I do as well, and was shocked to see how long a leader a lot of the bass pros use
When I am casting a white bait (like a shad)up around the mangroves, I just have it on a 20 pound leader and a 3/0 circle hook. You have to be careful not to throw him off and not to kill him on the cast. I hook then different ways but the smoother cast, the better. I feel like the fg has the least chance at catching the tags in the guides
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:26 pm to LanierSpots
Had to tell mine Sunday they only needed a base hit not a home run.
75-80 mullet don’t last long when they throw off 5 to get one in the water
75-80 mullet don’t last long when they throw off 5 to get one in the water
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:55 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Yep, I just hate tying them on the water.
I feel like the fg has the least chance at catching the tags in the guides
Posted on 8/14/25 at 1:47 pm to AlxTgr
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Yep, I just hate tying them on the water.
After about 10 years of tying it, I can do it with my eyes closed. Since moving to the center consul style boat, having those vertical rod holders really help.
I use about 3-4 knots on everything. I use the FG, sometimes a double uni for backing to braid, a palomar and improved snell.
On occasion, I will tie a loop knot but honestly I don't like using them
This post was edited on 8/14/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/14/25 at 2:05 pm to LanierSpots
quote:That's how I feel about the Alberto and have not had a failure yet.
After about 10 years of tying it, I can do it with my eyes closed.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 2:32 pm to AlxTgr
Alberto is significantly easier for me to tie and I’ve never had a failure either.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 12:24 am to tigerbait1970
A lot of newer reels are designed for braid without backing, for the ones without it... a knot solves the problem. If I get spooled to the end I want it to break. I am too lazy to put mono backing, hell sometimes I am too lazy to even tie a leader, running braid til the end has worked fine..
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