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Sharks- what’s our stance?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:36 pm
Based on conversations around GI and on THT, sharks are a major pain in the arse.
I’ve read articles where it has been shown that sharks have adapted and can now identify boat engine sounds and see it as a “buffet” So much so, that one of the articles claims the shark behavior has become depredation.
I feel like left unchecked (with absolutely no biology background) this shark thing is going to turn into a wild pig like problem.
I am not one to break the law, but after my experience this last weekend, even if I am not going to keep the shark(s), I think that since humans are their only natural predator, we should kill our legal limit.
I have a moral problem with this- because it’s wanton waste.
What’s the OB’s take?
I’ve read articles where it has been shown that sharks have adapted and can now identify boat engine sounds and see it as a “buffet” So much so, that one of the articles claims the shark behavior has become depredation.
I feel like left unchecked (with absolutely no biology background) this shark thing is going to turn into a wild pig like problem.
I am not one to break the law, but after my experience this last weekend, even if I am not going to keep the shark(s), I think that since humans are their only natural predator, we should kill our legal limit.
I have a moral problem with this- because it’s wanton waste.
What’s the OB’s take?
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:54 pm to subMOA
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think that since humans are their only natural predator
Not true. Some fish and dolphins will eat sharks (especially small ones). They are a necessary part of a healthy ecosystem but there does seem to be a population boom over the past 5-6 yrs.
Ive been bonefishing in Bahamas where the lemon sharks would track behind the boat waiting for a hookup then take off and snatch the fish during the fight. Sharks now congregate in large numbers at Boca Grande Pass in FL waiting for anglers to hook up during the Tarpon run. Im sure everyone here has stories of having to leave good rig fishing due to sharks picking off everything on the way up.
Maybe let the Asians have some shark fin soup again?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:55 pm to subMOA
frick them sharks. They are wasting my trout and redfish and fricking up my bite. I have had several attack my trolling motor recently.
I have never seen as many sharks as recently this close to shore. Something needs to be done.
I have never seen as many sharks as recently this close to shore. Something needs to be done.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:04 pm to subMOA
Kill them all
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:05 pm to Motorboat
I agree with both of y’all- what I saw this weekend is nothing short of insanity.
Other fishermen across the Gulf seem to agree.
I’m really thinking that we need to kill the legal limit to keep them in check.
I know it’s all anecdotal on what we see- but people all across the coast can’t all be wrong.
I had a conversation with a buddy of mine who fishes out of WPB, he runs a 38 Jupiter and a 25 Contender- old time Florida native family. He claims that because of the tourist boats targeting sharks it just keeps getting worse and worse on their side since they have been “trained” to come to boats.
Other fishermen across the Gulf seem to agree.
I’m really thinking that we need to kill the legal limit to keep them in check.
I know it’s all anecdotal on what we see- but people all across the coast can’t all be wrong.
I had a conversation with a buddy of mine who fishes out of WPB, he runs a 38 Jupiter and a 25 Contender- old time Florida native family. He claims that because of the tourist boats targeting sharks it just keeps getting worse and worse on their side since they have been “trained” to come to boats.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:06 pm to subMOA
Supposedly they are congregating closer to the shores because ocean-wide food is diminishing.
Sounds a little like bs to me though.
Sounds a little like bs to me though.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:07 pm to CP3
quote:
Kill them all
I was hoping you would chime in.
My kid wants me to bring a Cricket .22-
“Dad, that would be cool, we can just shoot them”
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:48 pm to subMOA
No regulations on most of them and no season for them. Send out night patrols and block off certain sections of water and go shark hunting with machine guns.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:52 pm to subMOA
Coyotes of the sea….
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:59 pm to subMOA
quote:I think it's like a lot of subjects that have traveled along this arc: there's a problem that was left unchecked (declining shark populations), and the people who regulate, regulated the problem, now they are, per usual, slow or unwilling to go the opposite direction in order to mitigate, "going too far" in one direction. And what's bad is that a lot of the demonization of sharks being killed wasn't because of a few guys on a CC going out to rigs to target fish. Hell a lot of it wasn't even attributed to this country.
What’s the OB’s take?
But it's the same arc we've seen before, e.g., livescope, hogs, etc., etc. It seems like there's coming a time for a reckoning on this subject, because what I do know is that, while it's maybe not quantified into data (I don't know if it is?), and while it is technically, "anecdotal," what I'm hearing is exactly what I've read so far in this thread: It is a massive, growing problem with sharks wasting catch.
We're going on a 3 day offshore trip this fall, I hope we are an exception to the rule.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:02 pm to subMOA
Wait till we start running electric boats. Sharks will be confused for at least a little while.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:27 pm to sta4ever
After about 12-18 inches of water most rounds are inneffective
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:46 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:
But it's the same arc we've seen before, e.g., livescope, hogs, etc., etc. It seems like there's coming a time for a reckoning on this subject, because what I do know is that, while it's maybe not quantified into data (I don't know if it is?), and while it is technically, "anecdotal," what I'm hearing is exactly what I've read so far in this thread: It is a massive, growing problem with sharks wasting catch.
You said a lot of things there.
I'll just say that I can guarantee you that fishing kills more sharks than sharks kill "catch".
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:24 pm to subMOA
animals just doing what animals do - you come into my yard uninvited and you're like to get "bit" too
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:42 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:Hush. You're being emotional again.
I'll just say that I can guarantee you that fishing kills more sharks than sharks kill "catch".
Nowhere in the quote will you find where I said, "sharks kill more catch than fishing kills sharks." Literally nowhere. What a ridiculous conclusion to come to.
quote:And I can guarantee you, regretfully, that like I said, the overfishing of sharks was not the fault of rod and reel, taxpaying, law abiding, license owning, conservation-minded, American sport fishermen- not in recent history, at least.
fishing kills more sharks than sharks kill "catch".
Au contraire, if you'd read what's in front of you, you'd see the words saying the process of fishing (commercial mainly), got us to this point with the demonization of even thinking of taking a shark's life: There are popular social media fishermen who catch just as much hell as "hell yeah's" for, God forbid, catching and releasing a bull shark from the beach. Perhaps it's okay to take a limit of sharks every once in awhile and just let the masses not know about it.
Nonetheless, your virtue signal is noted.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:44 pm to subMOA
quote:
What’s the OB’s take?
Again, let’s discuss pogey boats. Menhaden are a food fish for a ton of marine life. If you remove that from the ecosystem, the predators move elsewhere. Agree, disagree, wherever. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you can walk across sharks to get to rigs when you’re snapper fishing and every other fish you pull up was taken by the tax man.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:11 pm to subMOA
They seam to love snapper tails....
Friend of a friend of mine that does a lot of offshore fishing has a long stick with a double edge knife on the end that he uses to cut the sharks off his line with, he said he always accidentally stabs them a couple times when he tries to cut them loose.
Friend of a friend of mine that does a lot of offshore fishing has a long stick with a double edge knife on the end that he uses to cut the sharks off his line with, he said he always accidentally stabs them a couple times when he tries to cut them loose.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:22 pm to elprez00
Mud and ElPrez- I think y’all are onto something.
What ElPrez says makes a ton of sense…
I was taking to a friend of mine at GI Marina this weekend- “man, it’s like for the last few years, we really have to work to find snapper that we don’t have to measure” Followed by “We should be catching a bunch of big ones in 100-150’ of water but we’re not”
Now, here’s one that should interest us…
I also fish MS. Granted, their habitat is nothing like Louisiana, but with their reef program, you could/can pull up in 60’ of water, catch more snapper than you had bait for, and return home. No sharks. At all. But, they regulate the HELL out of their limited marine resources. I was stopped twice on opening snapper weekend just to check my ROLP. And they keep Pogey boats 1 mile out.
Good discussion- except for the PETA member in our midst.
What ElPrez says makes a ton of sense…
I was taking to a friend of mine at GI Marina this weekend- “man, it’s like for the last few years, we really have to work to find snapper that we don’t have to measure” Followed by “We should be catching a bunch of big ones in 100-150’ of water but we’re not”
Now, here’s one that should interest us…
I also fish MS. Granted, their habitat is nothing like Louisiana, but with their reef program, you could/can pull up in 60’ of water, catch more snapper than you had bait for, and return home. No sharks. At all. But, they regulate the HELL out of their limited marine resources. I was stopped twice on opening snapper weekend just to check my ROLP. And they keep Pogey boats 1 mile out.
Good discussion- except for the PETA member in our midst.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
quote:
Wait till we start running electric boats. Sharks will be confused for at least a little while.
Don’t laugh at me- I was going to experiment this weekend by dropping my trolling motor in much further away from the rig and sneaking in.
We do it with redfish all the time, right? No way we’d run wide arse open into a little pond and not think we spooked the fish.
Is the opposite true? Do it like we’re chasing reds, but just not to call the sharks in.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:14 pm to subMOA
Sharks gotta eat too.
We're the ones with the brains (supposedly), yet we swim where they been living for thousands of years, and blame the fish. Sound like Democrats to me.
We're the ones with the brains (supposedly), yet we swim where they been living for thousands of years, and blame the fish. Sound like Democrats to me.
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