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re: Shooting close range
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:58 pm to ZacAttack
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:58 pm to ZacAttack
a bullet fired flat does not rise, that would defy gravity. The aim point of the scope is different than the impact point of the barrel at close ranges. Think about how high the scope is mounted as compared to the center of the bullet. That said if you aim dead on at close range with a rifle zeroed at 200, you will hit a couple inches low because the way your rifle is sighted you are not shooting flat but rather on a slight upward trajectory.
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:42 pm to A_bear
Wow.....so many misconceptions here I couldn't make myself read all the posts.
1. It's a very common misconception, but after leaving the barrel of a gun, bullets do NOT rise. For those who think they do, read this Bullets don't rise
2. If you're dead on at 100 yds, you should be about 1" low at 25 yards. Aim for the heart/lungs vitals and you'll have a dead deer. Heck, if it hit 4" low at 25 yards you'll still have a dead deer by aiming at the middle of the vitals. W/o knowing what kind of bullet you're using, I'd try to avoid the shoulder.
3. If you want to know the point of impact for sure, go shoot the gun or run the ballistics from some of the availble ballistice programs online.
Good luck w/ your hunt.
1. It's a very common misconception, but after leaving the barrel of a gun, bullets do NOT rise. For those who think they do, read this Bullets don't rise
2. If you're dead on at 100 yds, you should be about 1" low at 25 yards. Aim for the heart/lungs vitals and you'll have a dead deer. Heck, if it hit 4" low at 25 yards you'll still have a dead deer by aiming at the middle of the vitals. W/o knowing what kind of bullet you're using, I'd try to avoid the shoulder.
3. If you want to know the point of impact for sure, go shoot the gun or run the ballistics from some of the availble ballistice programs online.
Good luck w/ your hunt.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:51 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Splittin hairs on the bullets don't rise thing methinks. Maybe a better to say "upon the needed upward angle to allow the bullet to at some point of it's upward trajectory to actually zero with the crosshairs of the scope on said rifle the point of impact will at a further distance beyond the zero will usually be higher than at the zero'd distance and then return to zero on it's decent to earth definitely not defying gravity" 
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:05 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Does not matter what kind of bullet you are shooting..... shoot a deer high in the shoulder with a high powered rifle(222, 243,270 and lord forbid 7mm/300mag), and his azz is payin dirt with out taking another step....Fact
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:13 pm to A_bear
Do you understand what that round will do to the deer at 10-15 yards? Do you have a handgun you could use instead?
If you are must use the rifle, I agree with the others: Lung shot.
If you are must use the rifle, I agree with the others: Lung shot.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:16 pm to nolaks
I think he means it rises in relation to where the scope is pointing.
Anyway. Shoot the deer anywhere with that rifle at 10 yards and make sure to get pics of carnage. Should be a good trail of blood if it takes a step.
Anyway. Shoot the deer anywhere with that rifle at 10 yards and make sure to get pics of carnage. Should be a good trail of blood if it takes a step.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:32 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
300 WM zero @ 100yds
you will actually have 2 points along your line of sight (LOS) where the trajectory of bullet(TOB) intersects. These intersections are your "zeros". With a scope mounted 1.5 inches above bore and shooting 180gr ammo you will have one @ about 70yds and one at 100yds.
Dont know what velocity or weight you are using with a WSM. Thought this info might be helpful.
you will actually have 2 points along your line of sight (LOS) where the trajectory of bullet(TOB) intersects. These intersections are your "zeros". With a scope mounted 1.5 inches above bore and shooting 180gr ammo you will have one @ about 70yds and one at 100yds.
Dont know what velocity or weight you are using with a WSM. Thought this info might be helpful.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:44 pm to DTRooster
quote:HaHa!
Splittin hairs on the bullets don't rise thing methinks. Maybe a better to say "upon the needed upward angle to allow the bullet to at some point of it's upward trajectory to actually zero with the crosshairs of the scope on said rifle the point of impact will at a further distance beyond the zero will usually be higher than at the zero'd distance and then return to zero on it's decent to earth definitely not defying gravity"
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:48 pm to Nodust
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Should be a good trail of blood if it takes a step.
Acutally, depending on the bullet used and where it hits, I wouldn't be surprised if the bullet does not exit. If it's a fragile bullet + extremely close range + high velocity + bullet encounters heavy bone or a raking shot=bullet may not exit. But you're right, should still have a dead deer.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:24 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
this thread is both hilarious and simply unbelievable at the same time.. 
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:25 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Well unfortunately the deer didn't show up this morning. Tomorrow I'll be using my 300 blackout. I let the gf take it this morning and borrowed a friends 300wsm. I shot a little buck yesterday with my blackout at about 20 yards and the bullet hit where I was aiming so I should be good with it. I didn't know how much different it would be when changing from a 300 blackout to a 300 wsm at close range.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:29 pm to WRedmondsStang
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If i miss on a head shot then it is a clean miss, also salvages all meat when I do not.
Not true. Good way to blow their jaw off and led to a slow miserable death. I shoot for vitals only. Anyone hunting on my land or in my camps shoots vitals only or they will not be invited back. To each his own. Just my two cents.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:32 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I shot a doe at 30 yards with a 150 grain aught six ballistic silvertip and it was moving so fast it pulled part of her lung thru the exit and there was no blood. Double lung shot and both lungs were obliterated, had never seen anything like it. She took that 75 yards. Tough old broad, weighed 145
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:35 pm to A_bear
I don't hunt deer so have very little experience with rifles. When it comes to where to put the cross hairs on a target beyond 50 yards, I have no idea what a bullet does. After reading this thread I'm wondering if anyone does either.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:38 pm to Geauxtiga
The person who said the bullet will cross your LOS twice is correct. The bullet "rises" because it is fired at a slightly upward trajectory to get it zeroed.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:53 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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The person who said the bullet will cross your LOS twice is correct. The bullet "rises" because it is fired at a slightly upward trajectory to get it zeroed.
Thank you,thank you
I have shot many deer in the noggin and have never lost one. As long as they are looking straight at me or straight away I don't hesitate
Posted on 12/27/13 at 6:02 pm to DTRooster
I've never tried shooting one in the head. I like tried and true. May have to track occasionally, but if I pull the trigger I will be able to show you what I was shooting at. Diff'rent strokes I guess
Posted on 12/27/13 at 6:05 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Oh my bad, replied that to the wrong dude 
that was supposed to be to the razorback
that was supposed to be to the razorbackThis post was edited on 12/27/13 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 12/27/13 at 6:05 pm to DTRooster
Looking at you or away from you is a dead deer everytime. You're either going to kill it, pierce an ear, or miss it.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:57 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Reading up on point blank range(PBR) would help lots of hunters here. Takes a lot of guess work out of most shots.
I have a Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM. I handload all of my ammo.
I use a 6 inch kill zone for deer, the deer load I use has a 368yd PBR for a 6 inch kill zone.
I have a Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM. I handload all of my ammo.
I use a 6 inch kill zone for deer, the deer load I use has a 368yd PBR for a 6 inch kill zone.
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