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re: 12th Grade Girls Are Far Less Likely Than Boys To Say They Want To Get Married Someday
Posted on 1/5/26 at 6:51 am to theballguy
Posted on 1/5/26 at 6:51 am to theballguy
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Girls have seen the boys that Millenials are raising
The oldest millennials who had kids at 17-18 could have kids in this age range. This is mostly Gen X
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Posted on 1/5/26 at 6:53 am to Hetfield
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Parents are going to have to train their sons to stay completely away from leftist women.
You're going to have more men without the ability to have partners than China after decades of the one child policy
Posted on 1/5/26 at 6:54 am to NC_Tigah
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Girls have eaten it up though.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:09 am to NC_Tigah
I think there are a bunch of things going into this but the largest is the education problem. Gearing our primary and secondary education towards women to give them advantages has been going on long enough to where it's basically institutionalized and part of the culture. This + the whole validation from grades causes a few societal impacts.
First, the classic college gap issue. More women in college has extreme impacts on this entire discussion, especially as post-graduate degrees become more important and the sex gap explodes as you move along the educational path. The reason this is the primary driver is threefold:
1. Sex gap in college. With more women means men are more valuable sexually and don't have to settle. This has basically become a cultural trait, at this point, steering the hookup culture to become normalized over the past 10-15 years. This leads to cultural acceptance of not being in real relationships (situationships at best). This also means the possible marriage pool shrinks every year (women typically won't marry down, so every year fewer men graduate college means fewer options for marriage).
2. Time investment in studying. Women who are likely to go to college (which becomes a larger % of the population every year) like the easy validation grades give them. This means that going to college becomes a more important social signal with every new class. To achieve, women have to put in more time, which means less time for relationships.
3. Economics. This particular factor has 2 digressions. First, as women go further in school more often, they're going to start making more than men. This means they don't need a man, necessarily. Also the second is that families (aka children) are expensive. With men earning less, fewer legitimate prospects, and an exploding COL for having children, younger women see having children is less likely, and they understand if they're not having children, there is less reason to get married.
Also, I think an emerging factor is the growing conservative nature of men in Gen Z and Gen Alpha. You can already start to see the divergence in the data with these men becoming excluded from the larger dating market as early as high school. I hope that I'm not right because this would be really bad and will cause incredible conflict down the road.
First, the classic college gap issue. More women in college has extreme impacts on this entire discussion, especially as post-graduate degrees become more important and the sex gap explodes as you move along the educational path. The reason this is the primary driver is threefold:
1. Sex gap in college. With more women means men are more valuable sexually and don't have to settle. This has basically become a cultural trait, at this point, steering the hookup culture to become normalized over the past 10-15 years. This leads to cultural acceptance of not being in real relationships (situationships at best). This also means the possible marriage pool shrinks every year (women typically won't marry down, so every year fewer men graduate college means fewer options for marriage).
2. Time investment in studying. Women who are likely to go to college (which becomes a larger % of the population every year) like the easy validation grades give them. This means that going to college becomes a more important social signal with every new class. To achieve, women have to put in more time, which means less time for relationships.
3. Economics. This particular factor has 2 digressions. First, as women go further in school more often, they're going to start making more than men. This means they don't need a man, necessarily. Also the second is that families (aka children) are expensive. With men earning less, fewer legitimate prospects, and an exploding COL for having children, younger women see having children is less likely, and they understand if they're not having children, there is less reason to get married.
Also, I think an emerging factor is the growing conservative nature of men in Gen Z and Gen Alpha. You can already start to see the divergence in the data with these men becoming excluded from the larger dating market as early as high school. I hope that I'm not right because this would be really bad and will cause incredible conflict down the road.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:25 am to PonchaTiger
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women figure out they bring a lot more to marriage
A lot more positives or negatives?
Why don't you elaborate?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:20 am to NC_Tigah
The nesting urge doesn't hit females until their mid 20s. A doctor I worked out with told me there are TONS of women admitted to med school who drop out to get married and start having kids.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't disagree with any of that.
I think there are a bunch of things going into this
But IMO root cause boils down to analytic incapacity fostered within the US educational process.
As irrational as it should seem, girls have been drawn into a gender-collectivism precept that male-female behavioral inseparability equates to their best path forward. All must be equal. Instead of playing to gender individuality and strengths, boys are conceptually feminized. Girls are conceptually masculated in pursuit of gender-collectivism. All are hunters. All are gatherers. There are no allowed relevant biological, emotional, or cognitive processing differences between men and women. Women have prostates. Men can get pregnant. All playing to the same thesis.
Gender collectivism is supported by a toxic masculinity thesis. Accordingly male-female interests differ only insofar as males foist oppressive differences on women. E.g., Women make 78¢ on the dollar c/w men not because of career choice differentials, but rather because they are oppressed. It's classic critical theory.
The OP survey would indicate girls are buying into the premise to a far greater extent, than boys.
As the poem goes ....
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
But kids in general, and girls specifically, are not taking Frost's long look down the road. They are sleepwalking to the road they are directed to take. There is painfully little introspection, and where what little introspection there is, interferes with those directions (i.e., desire for marriage, motherhood, nuclear family), peer influence gravitation pulls them back into orbit.
If offered a Wall Street position out of college, many/most females now jump to it without reservation, despite the 80-90hr workweek expectations, and cut throat work environment. Not much room for socialization, much less pregnancy, childbirth, maternity leave tolerance, etc in that situation.
Meanwhile, the fact of her employment situation is not a desirable dating draw. Flip the scenario, and women generally find themselves attracted to a nice guy busting his butt in a successful career.
As biological clocks tick, situational satisfaction wanes. Incentives to outwork colleagues, spend the night at the office, become less attractive and less desirable. Bang for the buck in career envelopment, drops for women vs men.
Put differently, a man is more or less equally attracted to a nice looking woman dressed out in an executive power suit vs the same girl in a burger king uniform. In fact, he might find the latter to seem more approachable. Flip the equation, the guy in the burger king outfit is SOL c/w his doppelganger executive decked out in a tailored suit.
All predictable. All analyzable, even for 12th graders. But those exercises are not being done.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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WTF are we doing?
Feminism.
It's not a mystery. It's right out in the open.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think there are a bunch of things going into this
Maybe, but they all stem from feminism.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:51 pm to Zach
quote:There aren't a lot who drop out of med school or even residency. However, there are a ton who subsequently seek scaled-back work situations and/or drop out altogether early in their careers.
A doctor I worked out with told me there are TONS of women admitted to med school who drop out to get married and start having kids.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:52 pm to NC_Tigah
Girls are getting smarter
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:53 pm to theballguy
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Girls have seen the boys that Millenials are raising
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theballguy
Classic boomer girl dad response
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:58 pm to 4cubbies
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Girls are getting smarter
I realize your comment is tongue in cheek, but it's a serious societal issue with all kinds of negative social ramifications which you no doubt—based on your posting history as well as not taking it seriously here—would seek to remedy by increasing government involvement in the negative outcomes rather than supporting the elimination of the institutional encouragement to maximize the trend.
In other words, pouring kerosine on a fire.
If someone doesn't start taking it seriously, society will ultimately suffer some kind of major correction.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:02 pm to wackatimesthree
Not that tongue in cheek. In modern times, marriage benefits men far more than women. Men get a pretty caretaker who will have sex with them. Women get another human to take care of and clean up after while also working outside of the home and doing the lion's share of childrearing.
Let it play out. The government can't fix men. Or women (depending on who you ask).
Women are taking it seriously. They are opting out.
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would seek to remedy by increasing government involvement in the negative outcomes rather than supporting the elimination of the institutional encouragement to maximize the trend.
Let it play out. The government can't fix men. Or women (depending on who you ask).
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If someone doesn't start taking it seriously, society will ultimately suffer some kind of major correction.
Women are taking it seriously. They are opting out.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:07 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
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In modern times, marriage benefits men far more than women. Men get a pretty caretaker who will have sex with them. Women get another human to take care of and clean up after while also working outside of the home and doing the lion's share of childrearing.
Man you are a special kind of cuck bitch to believe this
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:09 pm to TigersHuskers
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Man you are a special kind of cuck bitch to believe this
You must be a husband who lacks self-awareness.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:10 pm to 4cubbies
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You must be a husband who lacks self-awareness
Im divorced and got fricked pretty hard in the process.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:10 pm to TigersHuskers
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Im divorced
You don't say...
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:11 pm to 4cubbies
Yea and tell me again how marriage favors men again
Posted on 1/5/26 at 1:12 pm to TigersHuskers
divorce isn't marriage.
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