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re: 1.5 to 2 Billion for Gates to close his Tesla positions???

Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:20 pm to
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When he speaks on healthcare topics, he does so with the expectation he is making intellectual contributions to the discussion which outstrip those of medical experts.

I don’t believe that is so. What makes you think this? I think Gates is advised by experts in whatever field he is trying to contribute to. He then does what any executive would do; he gathers those opinions, and he makes informed decisions as to how to deploy his money in order to help. As I pointed out, he could be wrong, but arrogance is not the reason he is deploying that money; it’s because it’s HIS money, and he’s the only one who decides how to spend HIS money.
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:04 pm to
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quote: What happens if someone’s liability in a short exceeds their ability to pay? This would never happen. The amount of stock your allowed to borrow, would never exceed your ability to cover a loss.


You get a margin call and you have to bring your account current.

In Bill’s case I am sure he has a whole team that invests his money for him. Bill isn’t calling the shots on individual stock purchases.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:57 pm to
All you need to know about Gates is when Dell wanted to put Linux operating systems on its PC he blew a gasket. How dare they allow a free software system.

Threatened that dell would pay a lot more/license for every Dell computer shipped out with Linux software
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 5:00 am to
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When he speaks on healthcare topics, he does so with the expectation he is making intellectual contributions to the discussion which outstrip those of medical experts.
I don’t believe that is so.
Then you haven't listened to him lecturing on medicine.
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but arrogance is not the reason he is deploying that money;
Again, sorry but ...

He earned that money here, in the US. Rather than pay taxes here, on money that he made here, under tax policy which he publicly supports here, he is using the Gates Foundation to avoid such obligation.

That US tax avoidance would not be a problem IF the foundation was targeting US schools, or US poverty, or US healthcare, etc. But it isn't.

Instead, the foundation intends to target foreign markets with a vast majority of its money. That translates as massive money flow to corrupt locations with little laundering oversight and massive ROI in terms of influence ... aka the God Complex.

Now it could be that Gates, who's always been a malignant, undercutting, self-absorbed SOB, ACTUALLY intends to "give it all away". Color me the brightest shade of dubious on that account.

Because all that would need be done is for the Bill and Melinda foundation, which is still based here, to transfer funds to a Jennifer, Rory, and Phoebe Gates foundation based in the Caymans. Voila! The Clinton Foundation on steroids, and with ZERO tax obligation.

You need look no further than the OP to understand where Gates "altruism" leads. Does an altruist massively short TSLA? Think about that!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 5:04 am to
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Bill isn’t calling the shots on individual stock purchases.
If Bill has a half billion dollar short on a single stock, you can damn well assure yourself he called that shot.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 5:09 am to
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Investors usually trade longs and shorts in pairs. If Bill has gone short on Tesla, he'll have hedged with a long position in another security or index hedged it.
If that were the case, he'd have told Elon "I'm actually net long," or "I love TSLA, just had to hedge my long positions," but he didn't, likely because he wasn't.
Posted by DiscountedCashFlow
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:05 am to
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If that were the case, he'd have told Elon "I'm actually net long," or "I love TSLA, just had to hedge my long positions," but he didn't, likely because he wasn't.


If you trade stocks in a long/short pair, it can mean you don't have faith in the company you're going short on.

Why would he go 'I love TSLA' when it's clear he doesn't - the TSLA short is the main position he's taking.

The long would be to hedge - it's clear that he is hedging considering he's got $125 billion but he's only put in $500 million into his short position.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:31 am to
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If you trade stocks in a long/short pair
I do.
Straddle or related positions are used to hedge risk. Brokerages/MMs often refer to these as structured products.

e.g., AAPL is $150/share. A SP might grant dollar-for-dollar profits up to $175 over a defined time. Beyond $175 - no profit. On the downside a 50% fall to $75/share carries no loss. Beyond that is dollar-for-dollar loss.

For an altruist interested in mitigating foundation funding risk, a long-short position would make sense. Gates not responding to Musk's concerns accordingly would not.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:43 am to
You are either a paid Gates shill or you have the mind of a 12 year old.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:09 am to
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NC_Tigah

Thanks for your well thought out and educated replies to these dipshits. I try, but usually end up deleting and my Tourette's of the fingers takes over.

It's uncanny how often you express what I'm thinking in a most eloquent manner, but all I can type out is "F#$k off and eat a bag of d$%ks."
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:22 am to
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It's uncanny how often you express what I'm thinking
Uh oh.
I have names of a couple of good psychiatrists if you need them.
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