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re: 22 veterans killing themselves each day
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:48 am to Stringer Bell
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:48 am to Stringer Bell
quote:
Frick obama.
Not productive....
He would enjoy it!
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:49 am to Jbird
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: You think there is an institution on earth that can fix someone who was engaged in the conflict of war?
Forget about the physical injuries for a moment. The dehumanization process that begins when one first joins the military, progresses during active combat, never ends. Most of the top brass are keenly aware of the permanent scars most soldiers coming home will carry with them. The big joke is on the veterans, their families, and the American people for believing that, just because we tab a system in their honor, this means they should be okay. They are not.
The VA is not the solution or the problem. The damn war is the problem. No amount of lies or 'honors bestowed' can correct or gloss over the atrocities of war itself.
I'm shocked the suicide rate is not higher
Forget about the physical injuries for a moment. The dehumanization process that begins when one first joins the military, progresses during active combat, never ends. Most of the top brass are keenly aware of the permanent scars most soldiers coming home will carry with them. The big joke is on the veterans, their families, and the American people for believing that, just because we tab a system in their honor, this means they should be okay. They are not.
The VA is not the solution or the problem. The damn war is the problem. No amount of lies or 'honors bestowed' can correct or gloss over the atrocities of war itself.
I'm shocked the suicide rate is not higher
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:57 am to HarveyDent
quote:
The dehumanization process
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we tab a system in their honor
So when people do the governments bidding we should lie to them then discard them, gotcha.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:50 am to Jbird
Serve? lulz more like murder and die for personal/corporate gain.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:56 am to Stringer Bell
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more like murder and die for personal/corporate gain.
Past, present or future draft dodger?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:07 am to Jbird
Sad and shameful commentary on the state of veteran affairs. All the more reason to respect those brave enough to face enemies abroad only to return to neglect at home. God Bless. /salute
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:10 am to SDVTiger
They arent fighting for freedom and even if they were they aren't doing it on my behalf. Especially given the fact youre more likely to die by cop than any terrorist overseas. When will soldiers bomb and rush courthouses and corrupt PDs to protect the rights of citizens that are taken away and abused daily? Never because that would actually be fighting for freedom and not dollars.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:23 am
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:24 am to Homesick Tiger
NOTA. Future if it came back because Im not stupid and question the actual reasons why countries go to war. Instead of falling for lies and rah rah propaganda.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:27 am
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:29 am to Jbird
You would think future prospective members would see it and say frick that.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:31 am to Homesick Tiger
At some point, some of you folks need to educate yourself. Ignorance is no excuse. What is happening at the VA is not new. Unfortunately, this is just another political football to kick around.
Yes war is terrible and leaves many physically and mentally scarred for life. But if I were the parent of the soldier in the video, I'll be damn if I wait around for a government run health care system to fix my son's problems as severe as they were when there are alternatives (how about a private psychiatrist). He really was messed up mentally and should have been institutionalized. I'm sure the parents have agonized over it since his suicide.
There is plenty of evidence that this is not a new phenomenon with the VA. This goes back to the beginning of its creation.
Here is a nice list if you want to gain some knowledge. LINK
And now I will list a few here:
All of the above happened under Reagan's watch.
It doesn't make what is happening today ok, but the VA has systemic problems which are unfortunately chronic. Yes the buck stops with Obama, but let's at least look at the problem with a sense of the historical problems this agency has had. If you want to say that Obama hates the military, hates Christians, and hates America, it is your right and privilege to remain in that state of ignorance. Nobody can change you, you have to change yourself.
Yes war is terrible and leaves many physically and mentally scarred for life. But if I were the parent of the soldier in the video, I'll be damn if I wait around for a government run health care system to fix my son's problems as severe as they were when there are alternatives (how about a private psychiatrist). He really was messed up mentally and should have been institutionalized. I'm sure the parents have agonized over it since his suicide.
There is plenty of evidence that this is not a new phenomenon with the VA. This goes back to the beginning of its creation.
Here is a nice list if you want to gain some knowledge. LINK
And now I will list a few here:
quote:
1981 -- Veterans camp out in front of the Wadsworth Veterans Medical Center in Los Angeles after the suicide of a former Marine who had rammed the hospital's lobby with his Jeep and fired shots into the wall after claiming the VA had failed to attend to his service-related disabilities, the New York Times reported at the time.
1982 -- Controversial VA director Robert Nimmo, who once described symptoms of exposure to the herbicide Agent Orange during the Vietnam war as little more than "teenage acne," resigns under pressure from veteran's groups. Nimmo was criticized for wasteful spending, including use of a chauffeured car and an expensive office redecorating project, according to a 1983 GAO investigation. The same year, the agency issues a report supporting veterans' claims that the VA had failed to provide them with enough information and assistance about Agent Orange exposure.
1984 -- Congressional investigators find evidence that VA officials had diverted or refused to spend more than $40 million that Congress approved to help Vietnam veterans with readjustment problems, the Washington Post reports at the time.
1986 -- The VA's Inspector General's office finds 93 physicians working for the agency have sanctions against their medical licenses, including suspensions and revocations, according to a 1988 GAO report.
1989 -- President Ronald Reagan signs legislation elevating the Veterans Administration to Cabinet status, creating the Department of Veterans Affairs. (Way to go Ronnie, solve the problem with more government).
All of the above happened under Reagan's watch.
It doesn't make what is happening today ok, but the VA has systemic problems which are unfortunately chronic. Yes the buck stops with Obama, but let's at least look at the problem with a sense of the historical problems this agency has had. If you want to say that Obama hates the military, hates Christians, and hates America, it is your right and privilege to remain in that state of ignorance. Nobody can change you, you have to change yourself.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:58 am to Big12fan
Republicans get more blame for this in sending us into two wars with the Iraq War qualifying as an unjust, illegal, and immoral war. The Afghanistan War was poorly planned executed.
There is a lot of Republican blame to go around. Don't compare this to Sandy Hook since we have a volunteer military and it's been known for awhile that there are huge problems Veteran's face.
A lot of blame has to go to the military industrial complex in treating our men and women as fodder to line their pockets. You should blame Cheney and conservatives for this veteran problem.
That being said we do need to spend more on Veterans in additional government programs.
There is a lot of Republican blame to go around. Don't compare this to Sandy Hook since we have a volunteer military and it's been known for awhile that there are huge problems Veteran's face.
A lot of blame has to go to the military industrial complex in treating our men and women as fodder to line their pockets. You should blame Cheney and conservatives for this veteran problem.
That being said we do need to spend more on Veterans in additional government programs.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:01 am to EST
quote:
Obama is a liar and he hates the military. Its obvious. Just like he hates Christians and America in general.
Yeah he hates Christians so much he's one and so is his wife and daughters.
He hates America the military so much he only ran for President and is the commander in chief.
I don't understand your logic. How come someone who hates the military and America so much run to be President of the United States?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:07 am to Big12fan
quote:Unfortunately chronic, indeed.
he VA has systemic problems which are unfortunately chronic. Yes the buck stops with Obama, but let's at least look at the problem with a sense of the historical problems this agency has had. If you want to say that Obama hates the military, hates Christians, and hates America . . .
Yet given the choice, Obama and his neosocialist brethren would like to implement single-payer across-the-board.
How do you defend that?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:28 am to Jbird
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22 veterans killing themselves each day
Good.
We will make sure their votes don't count when they are fighting and make sure they rot when they get home. Perfect!
Now, where are some felons and illegals we can sign up for welfare?
Sincerely,
Progressives
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
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Yet given the choice, Obama and his neosocialist brethren would like to implement single-payer across-the-board. How do you defend that?
Ends justify the means.
They don't care.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:31 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I guess you defend it by exiting the thread?
Yet given the choice, Obama and his neosocialist brethren would like to implement single-payer across-the-board.
How do you defend that?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:00 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Unfortunately chronic, indeed.
Yet given the choice, Obama and his neosocialist brethren would like to implement single-payer across-the-board.
How do you defend that?
I'm not defending anything, especially health care laws. I'm just pointing out that VA problems have been around a long time and no President has fixed it yet. The problems are rightly condemned but it appears that there is more interest in scoring political points than in fixing the situation. Of course, depending on the most dysfunctional branch of the govt - our congress, to fix anything is a pipe dream.
Obama is simply the current whipping boy. Same could have been said about Bush, Clinton before him, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, etc.
The best way to decrease problems with the VA is not getting us into elective wars to begin with.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:08 am to Big12fan
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Obama is simply the current whipping boy. Same could have been said about Bush, Clinton before him, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, etc. The
Agree, but Obama and his cronies have been promoting the VA system as the model for healthcare in the US. What's worse is how much has been hidden and stats falsified. Any of us that have worked in the VA system can tell you what a piece of shite it is. Did Obama cause it? Hell no, but it is a prime example of the gov't ran healthcare they promote as the fix to our healthcare issues.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:17 am to Big12fan
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I'm not defending anything, especially health care laws. I'm just pointing out that VA problems have been around a long time and no President has fixed it yet. The problems are rightly condemned but it appears that there is more interest in scoring political points than in fixing the situation. Of course, depending on the most dysfunctional branch of the govt - our congress, to fix anything is a pipe dream.
Obama is simply the current whipping boy. Same could have been said about Bush, Clinton before him, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, etc.
All in.
The current sec. of Vet. Affairs is an Obama Admin. nominee as was the previous. Just accept it and move on.
The VA has sucked for a long time, everyone acknowledges this. Stop blaming Congress and realize your man has some skin in this game.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:17 am to Big12fan
This is the reality of the VA scandal, and any other 'scandal' for that matter, and what it's real worth is:
Dr. Ben Carson calls VA scandal 'A gift from God'
I don't think I have ever heard any politicians equate or in context, associate deaths with 'a blessing in disguise'.
Dr. Ben Carson calls VA scandal 'A gift from God'
I don't think I have ever heard any politicians equate or in context, associate deaths with 'a blessing in disguise'.
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