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re: A biblical warning about our times
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:55 am to Champagne
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:55 am to Champagne
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Don't trust the traditions or doctrines of men who were born 1,500 years after the formation of Christ's Church.
While I understand and agree with this notion, where does that leave Christianity and slavery. How long after Christ was the emancipation proclamation passed?
You're on shakey ground as well.
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:58 am to Azkiger
quote:It was an illegal EO. That's why they rushed to get the 13th Amendment passed to make emancipation legal.
emancipation proclamation passed?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:07 pm to Azkiger
quote:I read a study recently about the correlation between IQ and imprisonment. The gist of it was the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to have encounters with law enforcement that end with arrests and/or imprisonment.
Atheists are under represented in prison populations.
I wouldn't be surprised if atheists had an overall higher IQ than believers, resulting in the phenomenon described above
Posted on 2/5/22 at 5:01 pm to catholictigerfan
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St. Paul here is speaking of initial justification, which we agree happens apart from works. But as shown below faith without works is dead. The teaching that once saved always saved us where we depart. I point you to Jesus teaching on the vine and the branches. Someone who is attached to the vine, Jesus has been saved but can die if he does not bear fruit or good works.
If salvation is based on one’s works, even partially, then it is no longer a gift and is then reliant on the person keeping himself saved.
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified….
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Notice what Paul says in this last verse. He says if it was somehow possible to obtain salvation by works, then Jesus never had to die on the cross and it was a vain exercise.
Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh
Paul says clearly in verse 3, do you think you can be saved by a work of the Holy Spirit, but somehow you reach sanctification by your own works and power?
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What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? 17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Paul here is describing the characteristics of what a saving faith looks like. Saving faith isn’t simply walking an aisle and saying words. It’s a life changing event and the Holy Spirit takes up residence in your body and life and you become a new creature. And that kind of faith produces works.
And if your faith doesn’t produce good works, it’s a false faith.
Some people decide to turn over a new leaf, and they were never drawn by the Holy Spirit to repent, but they simply prayed a sinner’s prayer, but nothing changed in their life.
This is a false faith
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 6:05 pm to Champagne
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Also please tell Revelator that the phrase "Imputed Righteousness" appears nowhere in the Bible and that this doctrine was not in the Church for the first 1,500 years of the history of Christ's Church.
This is a semantical trick used by a person who wants to avoid the actual subject matter. People do the same thing by saying,” the word rapture never appears in the Bible, so that means, a snatching away event won’t happen.”
You can call it anything you want, but it is clear from scripture that it’s Jesus’ righteousness that saves us and keeps us, and not our own.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:32 pm to Revelator
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but it is clear from scripture that it’s Jesus’ righteousness that saves us and keeps us, and not our own.
It is clear that you are avoiding my points and insist on posting platitudes that are supported by disjointed quotes from the NT, most of which are not in context with one another.
It is clear that you follow the man-made tradition of your church written by thinkers who were born about 1,500 years after Jesus taught the Apostles and the Apostles taught the early church.
It is clear that you ignore the parts of Scripture that make it clear that not everything that Jesus taught to the Apostles was written down in the NT. Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven and left us a Church, not the NT - A Church and not a book. The NT began to be written decades after the Apostles had begun to Preach The Word and Demonstrate the practices and traditions that Christ Himself handed down.
It is clear that you ignore the historical record left by the Early Church Fathers and Eusebius history of the church - all of which, when taken as a whole, demonstrate that the man made tradition of your church is not in accord with what Jesus taught by Deed and preached by Word. We know what the Word and Deed are because we have the written records of men who were taught by the Apostles themselves.
And finally, it is clear that you disagree with Jesus Christ himself WRT the books that belong in the Bible. Jesus's Bible contains books that the man-made tradition of your church decided to OMIT from the Bible - and your man-made tradition did this about 1,500 years after Jesus ascended to Heaven after he founded His Church.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:37 pm to Champagne
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It is clear that you ignore the parts of Scripture that make it clear that not everything that Jesus taught to the Apostles was written down in the NT. Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven and left us a Church, not the NT - A Church and not a book. The NT began to be written decades after the Apostles had begun to Preach The Word and Demonstrate the practices and traditions that Christ Himself handed down.
What happened to all those Christians who were saved by the disciples before the RCC was founded?
Some only had the Old Testament and a few letters from the disciples to use as doctrine.
Are you saying all the believers before the RCC was officially founded were lost?
What about all the home churches founded by the disciples in their travels? What about the Old Testament saints?
None of those were ever under the umbrella of the RCC, nor did they know an official church existed. Where they also lost or anathema?
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Jesus's Bible contains books that the man-made tradition of your church decided to OMIT from the Bible
And your church chose to include the writings of Paul, which makes up over half of the New Testament, yet many Catholics scoff or try to dismiss Paul’s doctrine as somehow lesser.
Why is that?
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:42 pm to Revelator
Said every generation of humans since that passage was written 
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:44 pm to Revelator
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ot by the works of the law
This is taken out of context - Paul is not addressing the Faith Alone doctrine here.
Faith Alone is a false doctrine. The previous quote from Matthew demonstrates this - the one that I commented on.
None of Paul's letters support Faith Alone or Scripture Alone. Both of these two doctrines were invented by men writing 1,500 after Christ founded his Church. These two false doctrines never existed in Christianity before then.
Paul and the Church established churches in those regions to whom he later addressed the supplemental letters. These letters were important supplements and guidance to the local churches that were already flourishing.
Again, Christ left us with a Church, not a New Testament. The Church wrote and assembled the NT decades and centuries after Christ's Church was already rapidly growing.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:45 pm to Revelator
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many Catholics scoff or try to dismiss Paul’s doctrine as somehow lesser.
What?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:49 pm to Revelator
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yet many Catholics scoff or try to dismiss Paul’s doctrine as somehow lesser.
You are being disingenuous here. You know that the Catholic Church itself is responsible for deeming Paul's letters to be Holy Scripture. You know that the Church's councils and leaders assembled the books of the Bible. "Many Catholics" disagree with your distorted interpretation of some of Paul's quotes, yes that's true.
People should really disregard your "preaching" around here because it is based on theological error.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:53 pm to Champagne
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Stop lying. People should really disregard your "preaching" around here because it is based on theological error and lies.
Said by a man who belongs to an antichrist church led by an apostate Pope.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:59 pm to Revelator
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Said by a man who belongs to an antichrist church
Just stop. You should try to be a little Christ like in humility.
While I'm not Catholic, people like you are a prime example of why laity should not be interpreting scriptures willy nilly without relying on some sort of traditional authority.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:03 pm to Revelator
There's nothing new under the sun in Paul's warning to Timothy. Everything in that letter has been a running current throughout human history.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:10 pm to Mo Jeaux
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While I'm not Catholic, people like you are a prime example of why laity should not be interpreting scriptures willy nilly without relying on some sort of traditional authority
So you are saying no one ever can or ever has gotten saved outside of the RCC and apart from their doctrine?
The Catholic establishment always has discouraged the laity from reading and interpreting the Bible on their own for the same reason communist nations suppress outside information that goes against its mantra. They know if people can decipher truth on their own, many will break away from the RCC. And they have.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:17 pm to Revelator
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So you are saying no one ever can or ever has gotten saved outside of the RCC and apart from their doctrine?
Eh. What part of my saying that I'm not Catholic would lead you to believe this?
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The Catholic establishment always has discouraged the laity from reading and interpreting the Bible on their own for the same reason communist nations suppress outside information that goes against its mantra. They know if people can decipher truth on their own, many will break away from the RCC. And they have.
In some ways, perhaps. Could also be partly because most people are not very smart, and generally will tend to err if left to their own devices without guidance.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:19 pm to Revelator
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Said by a man who belongs to an antichrist church led by an apostate Pope.
So you resort to calling names! It figures!
I edited my posts to take out the word "lying" and replace it with the more generous "disingenuous".
You are totally ignorant concerning the core teaching of the Apostle Paul, which was that the Eucharist is a Sacrifice at the Table of the Lord and fulfills the prophecy of Malachi 1:11.
Paul was taught by one of the Greats: Gamaliel. Paul knew about this prophecy and we know from the earliest writings of people who knew the Apostles that Paul taught that the Eucharist is a Sacrifice that fulfills this Prophecy.
LINK
Which of the 45,000 sects of Protestantism do you belong?
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:25 pm to Revelator
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They know if people can decipher truth on their own, many will break away from the RCC. And they have.
We know that Protestantism has discerned Truth because there are 45,000 Protestant sects currently and still growing. LOL
We know what the RCC teaches because it's written down in the Catechism. The Catechism is based on the whole Bible (not just the part that Protestants later selected) and the teachings handed down by Jesus to the Apostles.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:27 pm to Champagne
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You are totally ignorant concerning the core teaching of the Apostle Paul,
Sure. One can’t get the meaning of Paul’s clear words by simply studying the Bible. One has to have a homosexual priest lead him into higher truth!
I feel bad for all those searching for God in communist countries who will never have an opportunity to be saved, since they’ll never have access to a priest, Catholic Church or it’s teachings.
If the churches teachings can’t stop priests from being sodomites, why do you think it has the power to transform lives?
And I’m serious. It’s a very easy question.
If the RCC’s doctrine can’t deliver a priest from a deviant sexual lifestyle, what good is it?
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:41 pm to Champagne
As someone who was raised Catholic and my family has a strong history of being in the priesthood and several nuns. I left the Catholic church years ago because of the changes being made and the lack of teaching from the entire Bible. I still have a very strong love and respect for faithful Catholics. But I went to several denominations of churches and found things that I agreed with and some that I didn't.
The subject is about end times which we have moved into. The Catholic Church did not teach out of the Book of Revelations. But thankfully, several Bishops have started speaking out against the apostasy of the Church and the reigning Pope. I can't defend him and the many priest who have shamed themselves and destroyed the life of the very ones that they are suppose to protect and mentor.
But they are not alone in destroying peoples faith by taking money and living large. Most churches take something in the Word and put more emphasis on it. But the subject is the Last Days and the signs that our Lord gave us to recognize the time we are in. Quit straining on agnat swallowing the whole camel. Be prepared to meet the Lord.
The subject is about end times which we have moved into. The Catholic Church did not teach out of the Book of Revelations. But thankfully, several Bishops have started speaking out against the apostasy of the Church and the reigning Pope. I can't defend him and the many priest who have shamed themselves and destroyed the life of the very ones that they are suppose to protect and mentor.
But they are not alone in destroying peoples faith by taking money and living large. Most churches take something in the Word and put more emphasis on it. But the subject is the Last Days and the signs that our Lord gave us to recognize the time we are in. Quit straining on agnat swallowing the whole camel. Be prepared to meet the Lord.
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