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Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:39 pm to salty1
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2 Timothy 1-5
You should know this, that in the last days there will be very difficult times.
2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good.
4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God.
5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that
How does this not describe every generation going back a thousand or more years?
The list is too long.
Tell me how in your mind this describes every generation going back a thousand or more years.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:43 pm to LSUbest
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The list is too long.
Tell me how in your mind this describes every generation going back a thousand or more years.
Do you think those descriptions are attributable solely to our current day and age?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:45 pm to Chad504boy
quote:What the frick are you trying to pull?
Chad504boy
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:52 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:01 pm to Revelator
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The Bible does say that no one can knows the date of the return of Jesus, but it never says we shouldn’t look for signs. In fact, it says the opposite and says we should always be in a state of readiness. Trying to predict a specific date for Jesus’ return or trying to be ready for his return are two different things.
My theory is the end times are really up to us, not God. As in he allows us to determine when it ends. There were times in history when you can point to signs of the apocalypse and it didn’t occur. Because ultimately good defeated the evil.
When good no longer prevails, God will intervene. And then it happens
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:04 pm to Revelator
The demoniacs are running wild. I can pinpoint the exact day this country began its accelerated downward spiral......
January 22, 1973
I shall always remember what the Holy Priest said to us,"The devil is evil. He can even kill people".
The People in this administration in Washington D.C. right now are under the guidance of the Evil One. I know that, you know that, and THEY KNOW THAT.
Deus Abraham, mitte angelos ad protegat nos a insultus Unum Malum, et discipuli eius. Amen
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:06 pm to salty1
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How does this not describe every generation going back a thousand or more years?
Shhhhh, just let gramps look out his window and wave his fist around.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:16 pm to Revelator
In the 70s and early 80s humanity thought the world was going to end any second because of the cold war. Higher inflation than we have now with high interest rates to eventually combat that inflation. Vietnam war brought right to your television that didn't end until 75. Television became a larger part of life which people thought was evil. Gas lines, more underage sex, more drug use, and the fear porn of serial killers. Manson Family, Zodiac Killer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, Jim Jones, etc.
Humanity is full of peaks and valleys of garbage.
Humanity is full of peaks and valleys of garbage.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:20 pm to Revelator
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A biblical warning about our times
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For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good.
4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God.
5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that
Sooooo, "our times" are basically the last 10,000 years or so.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So our times is basically the last 10,000 years
2 Peter 3:3-10
Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.
4 They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.”
5 ¶ They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water.
6 Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood.
7 And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
8 ¶ But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:33 pm to Gcockboi
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Since you seem knowledgeable about the bible (minus the pre-trib rapture.) What the hell does the 144,000 in, I think Revelation mean? A Jehovah Witness told me only 144k got into heaven at the supermarket last night and the rest of Christians will live on a "paradise Earth".
I see Rev already responded but I wanted to respond as well.
I believe that this represents the church or the people of God who have been redeemed.
What does the seal on the forehead represent? Likely baptism, as baptism is also understood as a sealing. There is a first century non-biblical book called the shepherd of hermas that says this. "The seal, then, is the water: they descend into the water dead, and they arise alive."
Secondly, most numbers in Revelation are symbolic and are not just arbitrary numbers.
12*12*1000 = 144000. 1000 represents completeness and 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles. So the completeness of the church. All those redeemed by God through baptism.
TLDR, 144000 represents the Church not a specific number of people.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:34 pm to Revelator
Meh. That'd be cool if I believed in hijinks and star alignment or the likes.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Do you think those descriptions are attributable solely to our current day and age?
No.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:45 pm to CLane33
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Care to elaborate?
It's okay if it's something you'd rather not share.
A friend got me involved in a Christian finance group - not Dave Ramsey, but a lot of the same principles. I joined the group in December and the group leaders seemed shady. They were pitching something to these unsuspecting, uneducated financially church going people that just didn't pass the smell test.
I did some outside research and brought my concerns to the group a couple weeks ago. The leaders used scripture to discount my concerns and started motivating the people with prosperity gospel garbage. No big deal, I didn't really need them, but I hated to see my friend caught up in it.
On February 1, the group leaders were arrested for fraud. They were scamming the hell out of these people, just like I figured. Someone quietly took my concerns and found the same conclusions. Some of these people just lost their life savings - in a Christian investing club. And some of them are still "rebuking the enemy for this attack."
Its just sad to me that people would use Christianity to steal from people.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:59 pm to Gcockboi
You can believe what people say they represent, or you can simply read what the scripture says about them.
Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 ¶ 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.
Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 ¶ 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:21 pm to Revelator
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You can believe what people say they represent, or you can simply read what the scripture says about them.
I get what you're saying but symbolic language and numbers are common and it's clear to me that John is using symbolic language, not that when you and I hopefully get to heaven we can count 144000 of some sort of people.
It's not coincidental that the number of those sealed are 12*12*1000. The number must mean something? Secondly, why would God limit the amount who could be saved? What kind of all loving merciful god would do that?
I guess the question for me is, is revelation a specific prophecy of the end times, and I mean a blow by blow telling of what will happen. Or is Revelation more of a symbolic book that reveals truth about the end times but isn't necessarily a literal telling of what will happen.
BTW if you study revelation and history you will notice a lot is connected to the destruction of the temple in 70AD. For example, the emperor Nero’s name sums to 666. (In Hebrew letters also represent numbers.)
Think of Genesis, is it a historical book, meaning people like Noah, Adam, etc. lived 900+ years, without modern medicine, or is their age more symbolic of a blessing from God because they walk in his ways. It's interesting as you go forward in genesis that the age of men gets shorter and shorter. Is that literally what happened or something symbolic?
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:29 pm to Zarkinletch416
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January 22, 1973
The day we decided to end the war in Vietnam
Roe v Wade decision came down
LBJ died.
Nixon had won in a landslide promising to dismantle LBJ's Great Society welfare programs. He had a speech planned that night to the American people outlining this. LBJ's death delayed it, then Watergate exploded and Nixon's popularity sunk.
If LBJ doesn't have a heart attack and die that day, welfare as we know it would have been ended. Instead, its been expanded and expanded again.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:35 pm to catholictigerfan
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It's not coincidental that the number of those sealed are 12*12*1000. The number must mean something? Secondly, why would God limit the amount who could be saved? What kind of all loving merciful god would do that?
He’s not limiting who can be saved, only limiting who he sealed for a special purpose.
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It's interesting as you go forward in genesis that the age of men gets shorter and shorter. Is that literally what happened or something symbolic?
Because the Bible says the wages of sin is death. With each generation, the earth is more tainted with sin. The results of that cumulative sin shortened man’s lifespan.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 2:38 pm
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