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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 9/1/24 at 6:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/1/24 at 6:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's murder
True
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It may not be.
Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
There isn't a specific answer to this question. If there was, the debate would be over.
Alive and then dead. Murder. It's not that difficult to understand.
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Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:17 am to Varro
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Politics has as its aim the good of the community. Ethics (or morality) has as its aim the good of man. The good of the community (of men) is sought in reference to the good of man.
Again, if you go back to how we formed the concept of morality, you don't need to involve religion.
Societal trial and error working to decrease societal disruption.
Typically, politics seeks to enact policies to decrease societal disruption.
The concept of morality was created to reinforce these notions and to add another layer of societal regulation via religion. This is back in the Bronze age when human society was starting and city-states literally integrated religion into their concept of society/government. You can see this development from Sumer to the Akkadians and it really coalesces in Assyria.
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as there are certain actions or inactions that are ethical but not necessarily political.
Well standards change a lot easier with society, due to the trial and error.
There was a time when it was necessary to legislate adultery because adultery had dire consequences and led to conflict as a result of those consequences. It's not as big of a deal today. We can identify heirs genetically and have developed legal systems around the issue.
Slavery, the NPC comparison du jour, is another one. As we develop more liberal systems of government, things like slavery will naturally be examined. The same as permitting women to join society, racial integration, etc.
Societal values/norms are much more flexible and go back and forth often. It's a constant balancing act.
Again, why its a completely separate thing from morality, which, if correct, is static.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:17 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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Some might say it's natural to have 2 parents. One to provide and protect, the other to nurture and care.
I don't see how this applies to the context of rape, unless you're arguing the victim should have to marry her rapist like in old times
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:19 am to AuburnTigers
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sooo it's OK to murder someone if it helps your economic prospects?
The issue is if the cells are "someone"
Certainly everyone in this thread agrees if she aborted in the late third trimester for this reason, it is wrong.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:20 am to lsufan9193969700
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Alive and then dead. Murder. It's not that difficult to understand.
"Alive" is the pertinent discussion point, clearly.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:20 am to bhtigerfan
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What about birth control?
Some of the worst shite ever created for women
Its terrible for them and fricks them up
Need to go hardcore on adoption
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:20 am to madamtiger
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I have read most all of the threads on here about abortion so now I am going to offer my two cents and ask for a new dialogue.
As you can see from the thread, republicans are not interested in any other perspective. Your body and your life are theirs, and they get to make life decisions for you, your daughters and your friends and their daughters.
This iteration of the Republican Party has to die off.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:22 am to madamtiger
136 DVs for a post basically delineating male responsibility is telling
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:22 am to madamtiger
Did not read. #1 you are killing an innocent baby, it takes a BEAST to murder innocent babies. Its EVIL. End thread.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Alive" is the pertinent discussion point, clearly
Not really.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:24 am to TBoy
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Your body and your life are theirs, and they get to make life decisions for you,
Politicians routinely make decisions about what all of us can and can't do with our bodies.
This is nothing unique and nothing special about women.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:26 am to lsufan9193969700
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Not really.
How?
The entire moral debate about abortion is specifically one of determining when the cells become alive/human.
After that point it's murder. Prior it's not murder.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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How?
It's called common sense.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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The entire moral debate about abortion is specifically one of determining when the cells become alive/human.
As a Christian, I like to think of it as when does the spark of the divine enter those cells? I freely admit I don’t know. Given that so many zygotes fail to implant, I tend to think it’s later in the process.
My wife and I had to use fertility treatments to have our children. In a conversation the other night, she mentioned we had one attempt that spontaneously aborted very early in the pregnancy which is true. I have never considered myself a father to that aborted pregnancy. I have never considered it a child.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:19 am to lsufan9193969700
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It's called common sense.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:20 am to LSU2ALA
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As a Christian, I like to think of it as when does the spark of the divine enter those cells? I freely admit I don’t know.
None of us do.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:24 am to LSU2ALA
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As a Christian, I like to think of it as when does the spark of the divine enter those cells?
On a cellphone and don't feel like looking it up. But there's an OT verse about knitting you together in your mother's womb.
Ignoring God's active hand in assigning children birth defects, some even being lethal, isn't that saying life begins at conception, or at least implantation?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:28 am to Azkiger
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On a cellphone and don't feel like looking it up. But there's an OT verse about knitting you together in your mother's womb. Ignoring God's active hand in assigning children birth defects, some even being lethal, isn't that saying life begins at conception, or at least implantation?
That’s Psalms 139. I think taking the Psalms literally is not always the best way. They are symbolic poetry and music.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:31 am to madamtiger
Consequences to the sexual revolution.
Teens aren’t the ones getting abortions and neither are poor people.
A thread on the OT had a woman killing her boyfriends daughter. That dude was arrested with multiple other kids in the car and had impregnated a woman he was cheating on his gf with.
All these women who had kids with this dude chose that.
Teens aren’t the ones getting abortions and neither are poor people.
A thread on the OT had a woman killing her boyfriends daughter. That dude was arrested with multiple other kids in the car and had impregnated a woman he was cheating on his gf with.
All these women who had kids with this dude chose that.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 8:31 am to madamtiger
you think money, security, social relativism and government are more important than human life.
that's awful.
that's awful.
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