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re: Alien Enemies Act does apply to Tren de Aragua
Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects.
So they were illegal and hanging out with terrorists. I'm glad they got deported.
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In others, a Trump administration official admits that there is little specific evidence tying some deportees to any crime
Irrelevant. They are illegal and connected to a terrorist organization. Proof of a specific crime is not needed for deportation. The point of the act is to prevent crimes from happening, not waiting until people are raped and murdered to do something.
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and then, incredibly, argues that the lack of evidence should be taken as proof of criminality.
Either the author is a liar or an idiot, because that's not what was said. The DOJ argued that the lack of information makes them dangerous. They did not argue that it was proof of criminality. Again, the act is to remove dangerous people, not criminals.
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That's a laughably weak argument. Cerna is arguing that the Trump administration has the power to deport any immigrant suspected of having ties to the Tren de Aragua gang, even if the evidence is thin and never proven in any court.
Yes, exactly!! Except your author thinks using the law as intended is laughable. The act is not up for judicial review, so why would the president have to go before judges to prove everyone deported was found guilty of a crime?
You and the author completely miss the point of the law. It is meant to provide the president a quick way to remove illegal enemies. There is nothing in the law that says these people must be guilty of crime proven in a court of law. Requiring all illegal enemies to be prosecuted and convicted of a crime before removal defeats the whole purpose of the law.
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Instead, Cerna's affidavit paints the picture of a Trump administration and ICE management that were determined to deport as many people as possible, no matter how tenuous the connection to Tren de Aragua or any crime.
Near the end, Cerna notes that some of the suspects arrested and deported by ICE were simply caught up in the immigration dragnet because they happened to be near other of ICE's targets.
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:32 pm to TBoy
Lighten up, Francis. Some young woman in your family could be the next Laken Riley and God willing, one of these animals won't be here to cross paths with her.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects
You know how it works, Jake. You ride with an outlaw you die with an outlaw. - Augustus McCrae
Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:56 pm to VoxDawg
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We gonna talk about how Maduro alleges that TdA is an FBI/CIA creation?
After what I've seen the last 9 years, I'm open to believing anything.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:04 pm to wdhalgren
Wartime powers are not available when there is no declared war.
The Administration is doing back flips to say that the USA is at war with Venezuela, but we are not. So they are doing backflips to argue that gang members having moved here is a "predatory incursion" or "Invasion" by a foreign government, but it isn't.
War powers are reserved for actual wars, not fake wars created by propaganda to circumvent the ordinary law.
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declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government
The Administration is doing back flips to say that the USA is at war with Venezuela, but we are not. So they are doing backflips to argue that gang members having moved here is a "predatory incursion" or "Invasion" by a foreign government, but it isn't.
War powers are reserved for actual wars, not fake wars created by propaganda to circumvent the ordinary law.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:06 pm to EliasGrodin
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?
In other words, does the Alien Enemies Act allow a president just grab Sven Olafsen off the street, wave a Tren de Aragua wand over him, and send Sven to a Salvadorn hellhole for the duration?
They can grab any Venezuelan if this is true
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:08 pm to HeadCall
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Nah I don’t care which law or process they’re deported under if they’re here illegally.
Right but the AEA allows for deportation of Venezuelans who are here legally...
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:10 pm to lake chuck fan
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No, the law wasn't made for citizens, thats you trying attempting to once again confuse the issue. The law was created for exactly what Trump used it for.
Tell that to the japanese citizens picked up during WWII and put into internment camps. That was the last time the AEA was used.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:11 pm to VoxDawg
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Lighten up, Francis. Some young woman in your family could be the next Laken Riley and God willing, one of these animals won't be here to cross paths with her.
Still farming emotion points off laken Riley is a sad place to be.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:14 pm to oklahogjr
No, I just possess empathy and pair that with the knowledge that these lawless fricks would slit either of our throats just as soon as tell us what time it was.
By all means, defend maniac gangbangers from another hemisphere.
By all means, defend maniac gangbangers from another hemisphere.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:20 pm to GamecockUltimate
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the AEA allows for deportation of Venezuelans who are here legally.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:21 pm to TBoy
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Wartime powers are not available when there is no declared war.
I think the problem may lie with your reading comprehension here. There is no rational interpretation of this act that says a declaration of war is required. The word "or" after "Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government," specifically means that the act can be invoked in the absence of declared war; it's a well defined and understood usage of the word. No backflips required.
A predatory incursion is a perfect description of what has taken place. The president identified it and invoked the law. That's how the act is intended to work.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nah, I say protect America First by removing them immediately and then send a memo later.
If they force the hand, just send them to Gitmo to giv a big fucck you to The Left.
These filings with these actions are not trying to excercise due process to illegal aliens, they are simply pawns in a game by Democrats to try and stifle an administration.
Democrats fight harder for illegal gang members than they do the unborn
If they force the hand, just send them to Gitmo to giv a big fucck you to The Left.
These filings with these actions are not trying to excercise due process to illegal aliens, they are simply pawns in a game by Democrats to try and stifle an administration.
Democrats fight harder for illegal gang members than they do the unborn
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:37 pm to riccoar
Sending a bag of ashes to their next of kin says everything.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:41 pm to TBoy
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You apparently do not understand the danger of the Administration’s position
I despise having to write anything in the thread in which SFP participate because he is such an ignorant person as it appears you are as well
It is my understanding that there is a review of every person that has been detained
Further nothing in here says the right of habeas corpus has been suspended so if you are an American citizen you would be able to argue prior to your deportation
Further you would be able to argue for your return if by some reason you were deported which I 100% guarantee would not happen
Pathetic strawman arguments are so tedious and boring
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:47 pm to VoxDawg
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just possess empathy and pair that with the knowledge that these lawless fricks would slit either of our throats just as soon as tell us what time it was.
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all means, defend maniac gangbangers from another hemisphere.
Milking anger out of your thoughts and prayers over lakens tragic death is still pathetic. No one is defending tren de agua or her killer....
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:51 pm to EliasGrodin
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For purposes of discussion, let's assume that this is true.
No need to assume. We know it is true.
We also know that they do not have to be officially tied to a foreign nation for the act to apply to them.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:52 pm to oklahogjr
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Milking anger out of your thoughts and prayers over lakens tragic death is still pathetic. No one is defending tren de agua or her killer....
Anyone claiming this law is being improperly used here is defending tda.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:53 pm to imjustafatkid
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Anyone claiming this law is being improperly used here is defending tda.
False
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:54 pm to GamecockUltimate
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Tell that to the japanese citizens picked up during WWII and put into internment camps. That was the last time the AEA was used.
Just being a dumb jerk liar does not make you right you ignorant SOB
What you failed to realize is as cited in Korematsu Is that your favorite liberal president FDR issued an executive order and nothing in the opinion discusses what you said
It is ignorant people like you and SFP that ruin this whole board you should just leave now
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