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Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:23 pm to bamarep
This just in.....23 MILLION people will soon be available to work and contribute to the GNP.. Fire up those factories, coal plants and agri jobs!!
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:25 pm to bamarep
Few if any of the people who got subsidies for obamacare could have paid their deductibles, so they had insurance in name only. Probably the same 23 million.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:29 pm to Jake88
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Few if any of the people who got subsidies for obamacare could have paid their deductibles, so they had insurance in name only. Probably the same 23 million.
Well since the plans were tied to your income, where out of pocket spending was capped at a certain percentage of income, which is now being notably reduced, the number of people in that situation is set to increase. By a lot.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:33 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Well since the plans were tied to your income, where out of pocket spending was capped at a certain percentage of income, which is now being notably reduced, the number of people in that situation is set to increase. By a lot.
KFF has been dropping stats on what that is going to do to premiums, especially for those over 50. I have to say I might be a tad nervous if I was a senator from quite a few states.
LINK
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:35 pm to VOR
Subsidies paid by ME the taxpayer are Freebies, King of the Dunces.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:35 pm to ljhog
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by their choice I might add
I don't choose to not have a private jet. I don't have one because I can't afford one. And before you throw out the "they should get a better job with benefits" nonsense. There aren't enough jobs like that out there.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:37 pm to bamarep
Hospitals are required to treat the uninusured anyway.
this cost is simply passed on to paying customers and or the government in other ways.
There is no one dying in the streets.
this cost is simply passed on to paying customers and or the government in other ways.
There is no one dying in the streets.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:44 pm to VOR
quote:it would have been better frankly if it has been. It's caused everyone in the country's premiums to double, basically to get a bunch more people in Medicaid, which as studies show does not actually improve health outcomes over having no insurance. It would have been cheaper to just purchase private insurance plans for all these people directly
ACA IS NOT A "FREEBIE" PROGRAM
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:44 pm to bamarep
Is Cassidy getting wobbly?
Washington Examiner
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Sen. Bill Cassidy: CBO score makes me 'more concerned' about Senate healthcare bill
Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy said Monday that the Congressional Budgeting Office score on the Senate healthcare bill makes him "more concerned" about the GOP plan.
"It makes me more concerned," the Louisiana senator said shortly after the score was released. "I've been uncommitted — and I remain uncommitted, I mean just deadline uncommitted — but it certainly makes me more concerned, it makes me want to explore this more."
Washington Examiner
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:46 pm to Haughton99
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I don't choose to not have a private jet. I don't have one because I can't afford one.
Why don't you take out a second mortgage on your mobile home, Haughton?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:47 pm to tigerpawl
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Per Hannity and Larry Kudlow, the CBO is ALWAYS wrong - and by a lot.
Didn't CBO initially say Obamacare was going to be deficit neutral and that there would be no increase in premiums for average person?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:13 pm to Friscodog
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Didn't CBO initially say Obamacare was going to be deficit neutral and that there would be no increase in premiums for average person?
There have been a number of revisions due to changes in the process that CBO had re-scored, and continued to, but it would be wise to remember that what was initially scored was not what ultimately got enacted.
Just for instance the Supreme Court allowed states to not accept Medicaid expansion which put a good chunk of people in this weird hole where they didn't make enough to qualify for cost sharing subsidies but made too much to qualify for Medicaid in certain states that didn't. Then you have the gutting of re-insurance and risk corridor programs that were at first pillaged sightly because of Obama dealing with the fallout of the Supreme Court, and issues of the bill, but then really hit by Marco Rubio and company which basically shocked the actuarial projections and the stability of an already fragile market with lots of uncertainty.
All that to say, holding up the very first CBO projection is a bit silly. It would be like a car reviewer doing a projection of the towing capacity of a concept Sierra truck, and then faulting the reviewer because ultimately that truck originally tested ended up getting tinkered, gutted, and changed around into a mid-size budget Canyon type.
All that said, the CBO was the most accurate forecaster of the ACA. And really, this is a lot of common sense. If you reduce Medicaid, cut subsidies, make insurance for unhealthy and older people more expensive, and reduce the penalties for not carrying insurance, less people are going to have it. It is going to cost more for a lot of people and it will cover less benefits.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:18 pm to ItTakesAThief
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Hospitals are required to treat the uninusured anyway.
this cost is simply passed on to paying customers and or the government in other ways.
There is no one dying in the streets.
Yep.
EMTALA is the force behind the curtain here, and part of the reason the GOP is in an impossible position.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:22 pm to Haughton99
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I don't choose to not have a private jet.
Yes, you do. There are plenty of people who buy stuff they can't afford.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:31 pm to Haughton99
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I don't choose to not have a private jet. I don't have one because I can't afford one. And before you throw out the "they should get a better job with benefits" nonsense. There aren't enough jobs like that out there.
Basically, yeah lol.
This is the * that I never hear reconciled by people from the "get a job" crowd.
Especially when you combine that with the larger policy prescriptions.
Since these are often the same people that are simultaneously arguing for a low or repealed minimum wage, eliminating primary and higher education funding, eliminating transitional work programs, always pushing back against major infrastructure investments, want to give tax cuts to the rich that exacerbates an already enormous wealth distribution gap, gut the social safety net, and basically(ironically) propose a very darwinistic view of capitalism that has always produced a notably sized underclass and a concentration of wealth.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:39 pm to bamarep
saving the earth 23 million people at a time
and paying attention to the CBO is no better than going up on a mountain and listing to a virgin seeing the future by looking in a pool of water
and paying attention to the CBO is no better than going up on a mountain and listing to a virgin seeing the future by looking in a pool of water
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:40 pm to The Spleen
quote:Why is this a necessarily a bad thing? Ever think we were way out over our skis in the first place with Obama giving away the store and Trump is reeling it back into reality. I'm sorry. Tough love.
15 million fewer people insured in 2018.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:40 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Since these are often the same people that are simultaneously arguing for a low or repealed minimum wage, eliminating primary and higher education funding, eliminating transitional work programs, always pushing back against major infrastructure investments, want to give tax cuts to the rich that exacerbates an already enormous wealth distribution gap, gut the social safety net, and basically(ironically) propose a very darwinistic view of capitalism that has always produced a notably sized underclass and a concentration of wealth.
It's like you swallowed DU and upchucked here.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:47 pm to ShortyRob
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It's like you swallowed DU and upchucked here.
Do you have anything that actually reconciles this at-odds rhetoric, or just weak ad-hominems?
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