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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:25 am to wmr
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This claim about babies may be true, but it is isn't proven. People are right to be skeptical
I can agree with this with no real evidence provided. Hopefully evidence that I hope to never see if it is indeed true.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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To be clear, it doesn't really matter if it's true. That's the point that so many of you are missing.
I'm curious what you mean by this.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to imjustafatkid
What I realized, was they look at us like they do the Palestinians.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:35 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Right.
NC, Oren Ziv described as Arabic
He's based in Tel Aviv. He's US educated/indoctrinated (MichSt/Harvard). His concluding statement regarding Israeli motives, in the face of indisputable atrocity on the part of Hamas, is demonstrative of extreme bias. But there is not indisputable proof of this one elemental accusation.
Meanwhile, wait for the dead bodies of Palestinian infants to be preserved as long as possible. The same poor baby's body will be flaunted at every bombed out building in Gaza, reused as if it's a new infanticide, with "journalists" like Ziv keeping a dead baby count.
I get it.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:36 am to shinerfan
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quote: Are you arguing that children weren’t killed? I think the question is more about the deliberate targeting of babies. And about people blindly believing dubious claims of "journalists" to have seen pictures and videos that they are unable to produce.
That’s the whole point we are trying to make!
Terrorist do not care if one or a thousand babies die, period!!
When they put bombs in public buses in the middle of London in broad daylight, do you think they give two shits if a family of 5 with kids ages 9 months, 2 and 4 years get in that same bus?
No, the answer is NO! It’s quite the opposite, the more carnage, pain and destruction the better.
In the end, Israel’s response to Hamas doesn’t need one story to be justified or not because there are hundreds/thousands of other stories that happened that day that justify Israel’s response.
Do I believe that Hamas or any other Muslim terrorist group is capable of murdering innocent babies as it has been reported?!
I absolutely do! Those who don’t, are just being naive!!
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:37 am to NC_Tigah
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The same poor baby's body will be flaunted at every bombed out building in Gaza, as if it's a new infanticide, with "journalists" like Ziv keeping a dead baby count.
I get it.
Yeah I imagine there will be incongruous beliefs about the dead Palestinian babies. This is how propaganda works. Dead babies are the most basic form of propaganda because it leads to such an emotional response.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:40 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:41 am to LaMigra
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Do I believe that Hamas or any other Muslim terrorist group is capable of murdering innocent babies as it has been reported?! I absolutely do! Those who don’t, are just being naive!!
once you catch your breath and have replaced the worn out exclamation point key on your keyboard, try to understand that we fully believe Hamas and other radical Islamists are capable of doing it. Questioning the factual basis of a specifically reported incident is not the same as saying that they arent CAPABLE of doing such a thing. I've already said in this thread that I believe they probably did do it.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:42 am to NC_Tigah
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He's based in Tel Aviv. He's US educated/indoctrinated (MichSt/Harvard). His concluding statement regarding Israeli motives, in the face of indisputable atrocity on the part of Hamas, is demonstrative of extreme bias. But there is not indisputable proof of this one elemental accusation
He toured the site of the alleged murder and deception of the babies, and notes that the IDF didn't saying about it at the time
I can't imagine the IDF withholding that information
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:42 am to Jbird
It's time to cover about 1000 bulldozers in plate steel, and drive from one end of Gaza to the other. Sure there can be bombs and stuff too, but just bulldoze that fricker from corner to corner, and turn it into a big desert park.
Where will the Palestinians go? Who gives a frick. Just level it and leave nothing behind but sand. Then subdivide the land and give it all to Israeli families.
frick these people. Let them scurry into Egypt and Lebanon and live there. They've proven they shouldn't be allowed to have their own state.
Where will the Palestinians go? Who gives a frick. Just level it and leave nothing behind but sand. Then subdivide the land and give it all to Israeli families.
frick these people. Let them scurry into Egypt and Lebanon and live there. They've proven they shouldn't be allowed to have their own state.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah I imagine there will be incongruous beliefs about the dead Palestinian babies. This is how propaganda works. Dead babies are the most basic form of propaganda because it leads to such an emotional response.
there’s are so many horrible videos out there (just from the dance party alone, not to mention from other parts of Israel that were near the border that were attacked, etc) of what Hamas did that day, in other words, plenty of ammunition for Israel to retaliate at a level not seen in decades, I mean, they are at war, period!! Israel has declared war on Hamas and has warned other countries like Syria to back off, to the point that Israel has shot rockets into the border with Syria.
So my question is, why make up this story at such an early stage in the war when in reality you don’t need it??
What Hamas did, speaks for itself and not only covers Israel’s response but also has rallied all of Israel and Allie’s to come to its aid.
So why put it out there when it could come back and bite you in the arse?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:46 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Classic case of blame displacement.
Meanwhile, wait for the dead bodies of infants to be preserved as long as possible. The same poor baby's body will be flaunted at every bombed out building in Gaza, as if it's a new infanticide, with "journalists" like Ziv keeping a dead baby count.
All dead people that result from this are the fault of Hamas. If Hamas doesn't go killing people indescrimanelty in Israel, Israel doesn't bomb and invade Gaza.
Those children may die as a result of Israeli munitions. But those munitions would never have been deployed without Hamas' actions.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:48 am to Lima Whiskey
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He toured the site of the alleged murder and deception of the babies, and notes that the IDF didn't saying about it at the time
You mean the Israeli Spokesperson he didn't or couldn't name. If I am a journalist stating a spokesperson for Israel made those comments, I am quoting that person and printing his/her name.
Go read those tweets again and you will see he may not be reporting credibly. Just as one can be or might ought to be skeptical of the baby story without verifiable evidence, so should you be skeptical of his reporting.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:50 am to Taxing Authority
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All dead people that result from this are the fault of Hamas. If Hamas doesn't go killing people indescrimanelty in Israel, Israel doesn't bomb and invade Gaza. Those children may die as a result of Israeli munitions. But those munitions would never have been deployed without Hamas' actions.
agreed. it's like the most extreme possible case of reactive abuse.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:50 am to Sam Quint
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I'm curious what you mean by this.
Regarding my opinions of Hamas and the media, the veracity of this story doesn't move the needle one bit.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:51 am to Jbird
Man I have kids I can’t even stomach this thread title. God please be with those parents if they have the misfortune of surviving
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:52 am to Jbird
Like Russian collusion. Every news outlet is controlled and owned by Jews and you will be told anything they want you to believe to protect the Jew!
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:53 am to Privatejoker88
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They’re all on the same side bud. They all hate Christians. I don’t care what they do to each other it’s theatre to me
There’s too many things wrong with this country right now for me to care about garbage half a world away
You're guilty of the same thing that you say they are guilty of. I understand your frustration at the news media and entertainment industry being lockstep against traditional western culture and values. It's real. I get it. I don't know the answer but celebrating or being indifferent to barbarism against infants can't be the proper attitude for a Christian.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:55 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Go read those tweets again and you will see he may not be reporting credibly. Just as one can be or might ought to be skeptical of the baby story without verifiable evidence, so should you be skeptical of his reporting.
So we're supposed to take a horrendous and incendiary allegation, at face value, and not as questions?
And the burden of proof is not to prove it, but to disprove it?
Okay, sure.
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