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re: Arbery made multiple visits, at night, to the house under construction (UPDATED)
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:22 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:22 pm to doubleb
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Are these guys sitting around waiting to play cop?
Are these guys in a neighborhood watch?
Did they tell owner/builder to call them for help?
In other words, how and why are they involved.
If they had witnessed the break in, I wouldn’t have these questions. I would know how they got involved.
You seem to be pretending that you don't understand just because you don't think it is justified.
It's obvious to me that they live in that neighborhood and have reason to want to try and prevent crime. I'd have the same desire even though I wouldn't go chasing down a criminal myself.
But, it makes sense.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:22 pm to ManBearTiger
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was going into the house to smoke crack
I know some people say nothing would happen to them because they are white. I get it, you probably look like a contractor or someone who went into construction management.
But me, well someone would probably think I was smoking meth or stealing stuff to buy meth. It is what is.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:23 pm to Wally Sparks
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So, was that home the McMichael's?
No, and I wasn't suggesting it was.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:24 pm to moneyg
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I disagree. If you are caught breaking into someone's home, and they confront you with a gun, it's not reasonable to charge them under the idea that it is self defense.
Does any of this really matter when we know this is not what happened?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:25 pm to the808bass
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That’s a very different and more specific instance. A person who is jaywalking who has a gun pointed at them could still claim self defense.
What about a person that had broken into a home and was fleeing the scene? What if they had previously broken into that and other homes in the area?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:26 pm to moneyg
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You seem to be pretending that you don't understand just because you don't think it is justified.
It's obvious to me that they live in that neighborhood and have reason to want to try and prevent crime. I'd have the same desire even though I wouldn't go chasing down a criminal myself.
They had stuff stolen out of a vehicle, other neighbors had complaints about theft.
Now, they might have had the wrong guy. But the second video that came out shows Ahmaud sprinting in front of the two idiots house that was 2-3 doors down. its hard to count driveways in that video, but they were close to the construction site.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:27 pm to moneyg
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What about a person that had broken into a home and was fleeing the scene? What if they had previously broken into that and other homes in the area?
So, he did not "break in" to anything. He trespassed on a construction site. HUGE difference in the eyes of the law. Saying he broke into a home implies he kicked in a door or broke a window.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:27 pm to moneyg
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What about a person that had broken into a home and was fleeing the scene? What if they had previously broken into that and other homes in the area?
I’m sorry. I thought I was talking with someone else.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:28 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Does any of this really matter when we know this is not what happened?
It matters when people are calling this a lynching, yes.
In fact, that's a much bigger story than the legal specifics of them being innocent had they witnessed the crime vs them being guilty for being right that a crime was committed but not actually witnessing it.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:29 pm to moneyg
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What about a person that had broken into a home and was fleeing the scene?
Again, things we know didn’t happen. You can think he broke into a home, but walking onto a construction site and inside an unfinished structure that is uninhabitable in its current state wasn’t, isn’t and never will be breaking into a home. It’s criminal trespassing, a misdemeanor that does not rise to the level required by the state of Georgia to effect a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:31 pm to moneyg
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In fact, that's a much bigger story than the legal specifics of them being innocent had they witnessed the crime
They could have witnessed what arbery did and would still not have the right to pursue and detain him.
Attempting to illegally detain him while armed is a felony assault and thus they are not legally allowed to shoot, even if he reached for the gun.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:40 pm to moneyg
quote:Well, it's obvious that the local LE establishment had no intention of prosecuting the crimes. You should very easily be able to discern that - at the very least - that bears the shadows of an earlier era when LE outright encouraged and assisted constituents in terrorizing black citizens.
It matters when people are calling this a lynching, yes.
In fact, that's a much bigger story than the legal specifics of them being innocent had they witnessed the crime vs them being guilty for being right that a crime was committed but not actually witnessing it.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:43 pm to doubleb
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In other words, how and why are they involved.
They reported a pistol stolen from one of their cars not too long before I believe. With that in mind, it may be somewhat personal for them.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:46 pm to Azkiger
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Again, I'll ask. If the intent was to kill him in cold blood why even wait for him to fight you over a gun?
Travis could have lost control over the shotgun and been killed with it.
He should have called the cops. But instead he played cop and killed a man.
Foo you are the retard.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:46 pm to MightyYat
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Saying he broke into a home implies he kicked in a door or broke a window.
It does not imply that at all.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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They could have witnessed what arbery did and would still not have the right to pursue and detain him.
Attempting to illegally detain him while armed is a felony assault and thus they are not legally allowed to shoot, even if he reached for the gun.
You come across as a junior attorney who is energized by the legal details of this.
Honestly, I don't care about that. The MUCH bigger story is whether or not this was a lynching as is being portrayed. In that context, frankly, the legal specifics of breaking and entering vs. criminal trespassing or them personally witnessing the act vs. making assumptions (and perhaps being correct) don't matter.
These guys may end up in jail for manslaughter due to those specifics. And, I'm ok with that.
But, it's pretty clear to me that this wasn't a lynching.
This was a VERY understandable action (even if not legal) by the killers or a tragic mistake by the killers for making bad assumptions.
I'm waiting to see if it is ever proven that Arbery was a thief. IF that's the case, I'm not going to be outraged by a thief that gets caught, decides to attack those that catch him, ending in him getting shot and killed.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:51 pm to MightyYat
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So, he did not "break in" to anything. He trespassed on a construction site. HUGE difference in the eyes of the law. Saying he broke into a home implies he kicked in a door or broke a window.
Most car break ins have nothing kicked in or windows broken. The doors are left unlocked. But, when the people are caught they are arrested. They don't get a free pass because they didn't technically break in.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:52 pm to lsu13lsu
Correct. They can be prosecuted to the misdemeanor extent of the criminal trespass law.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:54 pm to PhoenixLSUTiger
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He should have called the cops.
The cops were called and were on their way. The McMichaels were attempting to detain Arbery until the police arrived on the scene. I believe the elder McMichael was on the phone with dispatch when the incident happened.
Unfortunately for all parties involved, things went horribly wrong.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 3:56 pm to SUB
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It does not imply that at all.
Uhhhh, you can't break into a structure with no windows and no doors. It's just trespassing.
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breaking and entering
n. 1) the criminal act of entering a residence or other enclosed property through the slightest amount of force (even pushing open a door), without authorization. If there is intent to commit a crime, this is burglary. If there is no such intent, the breaking and entering alone is probably at least illegal trespass, which is a misdemeanor crime. 2) the criminal charge for the above.
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