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re: Are People Liberal; or Conservative By Nature?
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:07 pm to Scientific73
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:07 pm to Scientific73
In survival mode, everyone is uber conservative.
The easier life becomes, people drift toward the permissive
left wing ideology only works in times of post scarcity, which will never ready occur
The easier life becomes, people drift toward the permissive
left wing ideology only works in times of post scarcity, which will never ready occur
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:09 pm to FreeState
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Our society for the most part has become so damn lazy they can't even think for themselves.
Almost any young person from 20s on down can't hold a decent conversation, they've spent all their life gazing into a motherfricking cell phone or ipad or playing some game on TV.
I know I'm classified by you youngsters as a boomer and that's fine. But we were raised by the greatest generation of depression era folks who fought a war for survival of this nation and their values were instilled in us. I think my generation might have fumbled the ball but most of my generation that I know worked for what they got.
Our problem today, we're so lazy we believe all the shite we see/hear on Fox, MSNBC, or CNN. We don't think for ourselves.
A friend of mine told me not long ago, "I don't know how to classify you, liberal or conservative."
I told him it didn't make one shite. My views are so off the chart to most people it's scary.
Example? I believe strongly in the 2nd Amendment but I don't think you need a fricking bazooka in your pickup truck.
I think abortion is morally wrong but I don't think it's my business what your daughter decides.
I think our country gives away too much free shite but I don't think we should penalize some poor 3 year old kid because he has a sorry momma or daddy who won't raise or provide for him.
I believe in God but I don't give one shite about these mega church money grubbing preachers who shake down a congregation and prey on them in order to pad their own pockets.
frick y'all, stay off my lawn.
Am I your alter?
I agree 100% with everything you said, except i'm gen x not boomer. 
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:10 pm to Corinthians420
No they aren't. You just said "I know you are but what am I" , FTR.
I'm talking political philosophy, broadly Rousseau vs Burke, The Tragic View of Man and Individual Liberty vs The idea that Man can be perfected through Leftist ideology and The Primacy of The Collective. There is endless writing/philosophy on this, it's not a message board gotcha thing.
I'm talking political philosophy, broadly Rousseau vs Burke, The Tragic View of Man and Individual Liberty vs The idea that Man can be perfected through Leftist ideology and The Primacy of The Collective. There is endless writing/philosophy on this, it's not a message board gotcha thing.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:11 pm to Scientific73
'm thinking people are conservative from birth based on moral foundation
From birth your moral foundation is based on a book of fairy tales so you have been trained to believe whatever fantastical nonsense your moral authority tells you to believe. You are easily radicalized.
From birth your moral foundation is based on a book of fairy tales so you have been trained to believe whatever fantastical nonsense your moral authority tells you to believe. You are easily radicalized.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:16 pm to Lsupimp
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I'm talking political philosophy,
I understand this, but you posted this as a leftist view
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They hate me because I'm ________. It's grievance and resentment based.
Ive seen the right echoing that "the media hates white culture" a ton. So maybe the philosophy is right, but the people in this country that identify as republicans/conservatives aren't actually the rught? It has to be either that or the philosophy is wrong, because the "we are being attacked because we are white" mentality definitely exists among Republicans
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:17 pm to Scientific73
Liberal as in “what liberal means relative to the 2023 US political axis” or liberal as in the classic definition of the term?
In the classic term most Americans are liberals since childhood. The Bill of Rights is a highly liberal document….until you try to force the platforms of modern day political parties and their 2023 extremists onto it.
Now that the words “liberal” and “conservative” are identity terms and not just adjectives, our use of the words has become all jacked up.
In the classic term most Americans are liberals since childhood. The Bill of Rights is a highly liberal document….until you try to force the platforms of modern day political parties and their 2023 extremists onto it.
Now that the words “liberal” and “conservative” are identity terms and not just adjectives, our use of the words has become all jacked up.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:22 pm to Scientific73
I think the majority of people are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. People should be able to make personal decisions without government interference. If you want to smoke weed, go for it. If you want to marry the same sex as you, go for it.
Unfortunately, voters only get two terrible options for and elected position and end up leaning toward whatever their preferred media is telling them is the biggest issue that needs fixing.
It'll never get fixed, just new issues to divide people and slow down progress as a species. All to keep power hungry people fed and their pockets full.
Unfortunately, voters only get two terrible options for and elected position and end up leaning toward whatever their preferred media is telling them is the biggest issue that needs fixing.
It'll never get fixed, just new issues to divide people and slow down progress as a species. All to keep power hungry people fed and their pockets full.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:24 pm to Corinthians420
There is endless social science on this, mate. Leftism IS based in resentment and entitlement. Conservatism is based in Individual Liberty and personal responsibility. Have you READ and Rousseau or Burke? Marx vs say WFB? I mean, a teen could figure this out.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:25 pm to Lsupimp
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The idea that Man can be perfected through Leftist ideology and The Primacy of The Collective
a destructive and vain attempt to overcome the natural state of humanity
The world is subdued under the attempts to create an earthy utopia
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:29 pm to Lsupimp
So the poliboard is full of leftists in hiding? Leftists may have started as the resentful bunch, but Republicans have adopted it as their identifying characteristic lately.
Conservatism is based on fear in nature, but now both parties are so fearful of the other that they continue to vote for their own side rather than with reason.
Conservatism is based on fear in nature, but now both parties are so fearful of the other that they continue to vote for their own side rather than with reason.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:30 pm to Scientific73
Supposedly people are more liberal when they are young and more conservative as they age. Obviously, more liberal with advanced education.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:32 pm to Scientific73
I think what’s more profound is that we have delineated many character and ideology traits down to two classes of people.
Even more interesting is if you don’t subscribe fully to one of those classes you are instantly ostracized and cast as a waffler.
This country’s politics are completely fricked (both sides)
Even more interesting is if you don’t subscribe fully to one of those classes you are instantly ostracized and cast as a waffler.
This country’s politics are completely fricked (both sides)
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:38 pm to Scientific73
Women are liberal
Men are conservative
That’s why women should not be allowed to vote
Men are conservative
That’s why women should not be allowed to vote
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:38 pm to Mushroom1968
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Liberals today aren’t the same as 20 years ago. In general, maybe not necessarily the politicians, but democrat citizens 20 years ago were anti-war, pro-freedom, anti-govt involvement in lives, anti big corporations. To be fair, Rs were ok with things like the patriot act back then. Today’s liberals are more pro war, pro big corporations, pro govt protecting them from every possible threat known to mankind, also pro using “that’s racism” as a last resort to any argument. If Covid hit 20 years ago I firmly believe most all Ds and Rs would have pushed back on restrictions and shutdowns.
I don’t associate liberal and conservative perspectives with political parties.
For instance supporting 2a and gun rights is a very liberal interpretation of the second amendment. Lockdowns during Covid is a very conservative approach to a situation and being opposed to lockdowns would be a very liberal response.
Think of it as liberal meaning more or expanding and conservative meaning contracting or constraining.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:40 pm to 0x15E
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Even more interesting is if you don’t subscribe fully to one of those classes you are instantly ostracized and cast as a waffler.
Haha no you are just called a libtard or MAGA based on who you are currently having a discussion with. I get Ree'd at by leftists on reddit then come here and get called a liberal.
Our handlers don't want the middle to exist and their sheeple eat out of their hands.
If you aren't voting with them you are the enemy (even if your state isnt a swing state).
Now isn't the time to kick it the 2 parties, "THE NEXT ELECTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE EVER" until the end of time.
It's impressive how well their handlers know how to lead them by the nose.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:40 pm to Corinthians420
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Leftists may have started as the resentful bunch, but Republicans have adopted it as their identifying characteristic lately.
Conservatism is based on fear in nature, but now both parties are so fearful of the other that they continue to vote for their own side rather than with reason.
Holy convoluted platitudes, Batman!
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:47 pm to 3nOut
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his answer was "you could handle it and she couldn't. Do you think you would be in a different place if we had kicked you out and never talked to you again? you wouldn't. we knew she couldn't make it without the help."
this happens a lot, and I hope I don't do it now that I'm starting a family. Growing up, I was the 1 of 4 that held my stuff down. I would look ahead and prepare; the other 3 wouldn't. I would save money, delay gratification, and go without wants. They wouldn't. It was annoying that I couldn't catch a break despite doing everything right.
To the OP topic, I don't remember a time as a child that I didn't lean conservative. Not that "conservative" is strictly a construct of nature, but I agree with the sentiment that people are born wired to be receptive to certain behaviors. Having lived more life (I'm 40) I've migrated closer to center on several things, so it's not immutable.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:49 pm to Scientific73
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I'm thinking people are conservative from birth based on moral foundation, and social ambiguity. Liberal mindsets are created from propaganda by social engineering and the like. What say you?
This is the dumbest fricking thing I’ve read all day. Wow.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:49 pm to Scientific73
People who are driven by logic and reason tend to be conservative while those driven by emotion are more likely to be liberal. This is one of the main reasons why men tend to lean conservative while women tend to lean liberal.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:50 pm to TigerPaul
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They are taught to have more liberal ideas such as sharing and "everybody gets a turn" type stuff. I'm about as conservative as they come but even I enforce that with siblings. Very socialist concept that spills over into other areas of life for their little developing brain.
I don't mind this when you're talking about things that everyone has access to (i.e. toys at daycare are there for everyone). To force a child to give up something that is strictly theirs is a different story.
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Once they become adults and understand the complexities and effects of being conservative/liberal most realistic people lean conservative. There was a time in the not so distant past that conservatives and liberals had the same goals (equal opportunity and access). We just had different paths of getting to that common goal. Now our end goals aren't the same unfortunately. Picking a side has become more important kids.
Spot on. Unfortunately, there's not middle ground, and taking side means accepting things you don't agree with because the side you take checks off enough boxes.
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