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re: As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach
Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:52 pm to weagle99
Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:52 pm to weagle99
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Look how China is shielded from any blame for anything it is doing? Because US interests and profits.
Peoples fault for not voting for better politicians that aren’t in big corporations pocket
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Look at how many tub of lard Americans are waddling around? Because we have to maximize profits by selling garbage food with corn syrup, etc.
Governments fault for changing the food pyramid and forcing companies to remove natural fats from food, and it got replaced with sugar. Also technology has led to more sedentary lifestyles. But communism will starve you, so there’s that I guess.
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Hey do you like that stand of 200 year old hardwoods? Tough shite we are going to flatten them and build low quality apartments that will turn to trash soon
Govt does this too when they build infrastructure. There are always trade offs, and govt does a decent job protecting important natural habitats and forests without being socialist.
Capitalism isn’t perfect, but it’s the best we have got. The US isn’t really true capitalist anymore anyways. Access to capital is too restricted to the regular startup business and regulations are burdensome to the point it stifles competition and protects big corporations
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:52 pm to weagle99
Every philosophy has a different perspective on what society looks like without the rule of law.
Libertarians see anarcho-capitalism, progressives see theocratic despots, evangelicals debaucherous hedonism, statists chaotic anarchy, nationalists see ethnic tribal warfare, etc.
The reality is that no matter what system of economics one follows, with either too much or too little rule of law, the end result is some form of, essentially, organized crime where a small powerful and well-armed elite control resources and fight amongst each other for control. The rules don’t apply to them.
I see the rule of law as somewhat of a spectrum. It’s all about dialing it in and maintaining it in just the right range so that property rights are protected (thus people don’t have to spend nearly all of their excess resources on securing their resources), people feel reasonably safe going about their days and doing business, people have the ability to easily start their own businesses, access capital, develop their property, and manufacture and sell their own goods, ensure inventors have the rights to their inventions, etc.
The reality is that government can become corrupted and function just like the despotic organized criminals that tend to take hold in places with no rule of law. As such, it is up to the people to hold government accountable and constantly maintain leverage over their governments to keep them in that tolerable range.
Libertarians see anarcho-capitalism, progressives see theocratic despots, evangelicals debaucherous hedonism, statists chaotic anarchy, nationalists see ethnic tribal warfare, etc.
The reality is that no matter what system of economics one follows, with either too much or too little rule of law, the end result is some form of, essentially, organized crime where a small powerful and well-armed elite control resources and fight amongst each other for control. The rules don’t apply to them.
I see the rule of law as somewhat of a spectrum. It’s all about dialing it in and maintaining it in just the right range so that property rights are protected (thus people don’t have to spend nearly all of their excess resources on securing their resources), people feel reasonably safe going about their days and doing business, people have the ability to easily start their own businesses, access capital, develop their property, and manufacture and sell their own goods, ensure inventors have the rights to their inventions, etc.
The reality is that government can become corrupted and function just like the despotic organized criminals that tend to take hold in places with no rule of law. As such, it is up to the people to hold government accountable and constantly maintain leverage over their governments to keep them in that tolerable range.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:03 pm to weagle99
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weagle99
The longer I live, the more conflicted I have become on this issue
For me there is corrupt capitalism (cult of productivity at all costs) and balanced capitalism (holistic view of a capitalistic system). When favoring the latter, those in the former label you as a socialist or communist...
I have a sense that what is holding back the UAP issues and civilzation changing technologies is corrupt capitalism/power
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:05 pm to Arch of Titus
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What if I'm not a selfish a-hole and am motivated by a higher ideal (the Nation,
God, morality) rather than can I make a buck
You don't. You just don't understand capitalism.
Selfish assholes choose socialism because they're afraid of people who are more capable than they. Unless you're a world class moron, you'll find socialistic economies aren't more "altruistic" (lolol at people who believe they are altruistic through politics) and pollute, starve people and kill at a higher rate than capitalistic nations.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Selfish assholes choose socialism because they're afraid of people who are more capable than they.
Seems to me the people promoting open borders, LGBT nonsense, fund all elections, etc are the billionaires.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:06 pm to weagle99
Monoplies are hurting capitalism and crooked lobbiests.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:09 pm to Arch of Titus
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Seems to me the people promoting open borders, LGBT nonsense, fund all elections, etc are the billionaires.
ESG and technocracy is your future.
People terrified of their own personal abilities choose socialism. Technocracy is the modern workaround.
You're worried about the technocrats and technocracy is a form of socialism.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:10 pm to weagle99
quote:You understand capitalism and personal freedom go hand-in-hand?
As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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the more conflicted I have become on this issue
So you prefer more "fairness," and less freedom.
I suspect most "socialists" just really want the government to protect the wealth they have. Stupid frickers.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:27 pm to weagle99
It definitely produces bad incentives when it comes to certain things, especially, news media and social media.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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You understand capitalism and personal freedom go hand-in-hand?
I wonder what parts of the economy these new found socialists are willing to hand over to the Federal Govt?\
Start with the legal profession. I guarantee you minds will change immediately.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:32 pm to weagle99
quote:you are not old enough yet if that is your question
As I get older I start to wonder if...
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:35 pm to weagle99
Go somewhere without capitalism and then come back and explain how great everything was. I'll wait.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:35 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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you are not old enough yet if that is your question
Wealthy people love socialism. It keeps the riff raff away, and protects their wealth (they believe)
What they really love is crony capitalism, the middle class is the enemy.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:42 pm to Arch of Titus
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What if I'm not a selfish a-hole and am motivated by a higher ideal (the Nation,
God, morality) rather than can I make a buck
Hopefully you aren't. You can give to charity or just help them yourself. It's not the government's responsibility to support its citizens.
There is a role for a government to provide a temporary safety net, but we have generations of people living on the government dole. People who have never and will never have a job.
True capitalism cannot exist in that environment.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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For capitalism to work, you have to be willing to let people starve in the streets. Unfortunately, our government is not willing to do that.
So what are we left with? Some bastardized system that will be here for the remainder of our lives?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:49 pm to Zach
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The Founders knew this from history and tried to hinder the State as much as possible.
And I say they failed given where we are today.
Maybe they should have included a clear cut secession escape hatch. I dunno.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:49 pm to weagle99
We haven't had capitalism for decades. Its a mixed system.
What system would you prefer? You willing to trade more freedom for more government control?
What system would you prefer? You willing to trade more freedom for more government control?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:51 pm to IceTiger
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the Tailor's justification
I’m not familiar with this, can you explain or link? Thanks.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What system would you prefer?
I honestly don’t know.
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You willing to trade more freedom for more government control?
I don’t want more government.
At the same time I increasingly find the short sightedness of our profit driven society to be abhorrent, particularly with regards to natural and heritage resources.
I’m conflicted.
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