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Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:00 pm to tigerfoot
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Why this incredibly simple concept is not understood is crazy.
People don't want to understand. That's the wild part. They WANT this to have been related to the covid shots. Same way so many weirdos a couple years ago WANTED even the most routine deaths to be attributed to covid.
Two sides of the same coin absolutely destroying any productive discourse.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:00 pm to VoxDawg
quote:Because it's an extremely low-odds event that is almost like winning a negative lottery
Bingo. Why isn't Commotio Cordis a regular thing in the NFL.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:01 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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No it wasn’t. He literally stood up after the hit. If it was the hit, he wouldn’t have stood up and took steps so easily,
Good grief you haven't thought this through at ALL, have you?
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:03 pm to LSUAngelHere1
quote:You understand that outliers do happen, right?
ry never in the NFL. Keep comparing objects slamming into a chest to professional pads though.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:04 pm to stout
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Break down all of the athletes in this video while you are at it
LINK
also, at least one of those collapses (the Florida basketball player) happened before the vaccine was even available to him.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:06 pm to jmon
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Are you a doctor, do you know how "hard" he was hit, do you know anything about the type cardiac arrest he had?
Wife (no pics) works in a cardio group. One of the doctors this morning said it was most likely Commotio Cordis.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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Damn, that you believe this means it was commotio cordis.
I'm questioning your reading comprehension if you think that's what I believe in this situation.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:08 pm to Nutriaitch
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and i've heard of the possibility of people going into cardiac arrest from something like this (usually a baseball player getting line drived, or a car wreck, etc.) since I was a teenager.
quote:Serious question, have you ever worn shoulder pads?
Nutriaitch
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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They WANT this to have been related to the covid shots. Same way so many weirdos a couple years ago WANTED even the most routine deaths to be attributed to covid.
calling a dude's collapse immediately immediately after a hit to the chest a vaccine death really isn't any different that calling a gunshot suicide a COVID death.
believe it or not, it's entirely possible that most (maybe even all) of those "died suddenly" were vax related, AND for this particular incident to not be related at all.
just like it's entirely possible that a dude who shot himself in the face died of the bullet wound and not COVID.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Good grief you haven't thought this through at ALL, have you?
I doubt she’s had a complete thought in many moons
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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the issue isn't necessarily how hard he was hit, but the timing of the hit.
While I think we can all agree that the likelihood and relative rarity of combination of circumstances needed to induce this... how many tackles have occurred in the history of the NFL, and yet that it hasn't ever been reported in the history of the NFL?
I'm a fan of math, but this is almost statistically impossible given how often players collide with each other and how hard.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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Serious question, have you ever worn shoulder pads?
yes i did.
broke my collar bone wearing them despite it being covered by the pads.
ETA also got a concussion despite wearing a helmet.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:13 pm to jp4lsu
One thing is for sure and that is that Hamlin's family wants the doctors to be looking at any potential causes for the cardiac arrest. They definitely don't want them to just say..
-It was the hit
-It was the vax
-It was myocarditis from Covid
-It was......
Will they be able to determine the cause? Maybe or maybe not, but they damn sure aren't coming to conclusions by just watching a video.
-It was the hit
-It was the vax
-It was myocarditis from Covid
-It was......
Will they be able to determine the cause? Maybe or maybe not, but they damn sure aren't coming to conclusions by just watching a video.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:15 pm to VoxDawg
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I'm questioning your reading comprehension if you think that's what I believe in this situation
You should be questioning your own comprehension.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:25 pm to VoxDawg
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how many tackles have occurred in the history of the NFL, and yet that it hasn't ever been reported in the history of the NFL?
I'm a fan of math, but this is almost statistically impossible given how often players collide with each other and how hard.
from an article written in 2012 (well before any COVID or Vaccines for COVID)
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Approximately 10 to 20 cases are added to the Commotio Cordis Registry yearly.3,4 Until the late 1990s, commotio cordis was only rarely reported. It is thought that this increase in the number of cases is not due to an increase in incidence but rather to a greater awareness based on the 1995 New England Journal of Medicine report on commotio cordis.2 Many more cases of commotio cordis are now recognized as such. Indeed, what was thought to be a uniquely North American phenomenon is increasingly being reported in countries outside the United States.5
Commotio cordis primarily affects young individuals, generally in adolescence. In the Registry, the mean age is 15 years4; there have been very few commotio cordis victims over the age of 20 years
how many kids under 20 participate in sports worldwide every year? millions? half a billion?
and from that only 10-20 cases annually?
then add that over 20 years becomes even more rare/
sounds pretty inline with the known statistics to not have ever seen this in the NFL before.
American Heart Association Journal
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:25 pm to VoxDawg
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Commotio cordis plays a distressing role as a leading cause of sudden cardiac death in young athletes. Reported cases remain relatively infrequent (less than 30 cases are reported each year), although it is increasingly recognized. The US Commotio Cordis Registry (Minneapolis, MN) has been established to facilitate the aggregation of information.
Children appear to be at the highest risk for commotio cordis. The mean age reported in the registry is 15 years, and very few cases have been reported above 20 years old. This may be a result of a combination of a thinner chest wall relative to an adult and an increased likelihood to participate in activities where they are likely to be hit in the chest.
Ninety-five percent of reported cases occur in boys, which is likely again a reflection of selection for participation in sports which provides the risk factors necessary for commotio cordis to occur. However, the anatomical differences in the chest wall thickness may also play a role.
The reported survival rate among African Americans is lower than in whites (4% vs. 33%). This may be a result of a higher rate of delayed resuscitation (44% vs. 22%) and less frequent use of automated external defibrillators (AEDs) (4% vs. 8%).[3]
One would expect survival to be similar to other cases of ventricular fibrillation, if not even higher, because of the lack of structural heart disease. While initial cases reported very low survival, a significant increase in reported survival has been noted in recent years, likely due to improved recognition and early treatment.[3] The most recently reported survival rates exceed 50%.
LINK
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:39 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:Right, mechanically that's a completely different injury, and helmets aren't remotely as protective against head injury. Presumably you know that.
broke my collar bone wearing them despite it being covered by the pads.
The reason I asked about shoulder pads is the encorporated chest protection obviously renders your baseball and other comparisons nonsensical.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:41 pm to Nutriaitch
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sounds pretty inline with the known statistics to not have ever seen this in the NFL before.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/102481
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Damar Hamlin's Cardiac Arrest: A Cardiologist's Perspective
— Commotio cordis has rarely been described as the result of a tackle in football
by Emily Hutto, Associate Video Producer January 3, 2023
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In this breaking news video, Mariell Jessup, MD, chief science and medical officer of the American Heart Association, gives an overview of the various conditions that could have caused the cardiac arrest of NFL player Damar Hamlin during Monday night's game.
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Commotio cordis is a cardiac arrest after a blunt force trauma to the chest. It is thought that when the object, usually a ball, hits the chest, it hits it in a vulnerable cycle of the heart so that it begins an electrical instability and an arrhythmia, which we call ventricular fibrillation.
It's certainly hard to know just by looking at the video tapes. Commotio cordis is very unusual, it's rare. It has been described primarily with trauma to the chest with a ball, like a baseball or a softball, and tends to occur in young males, young being 15 or 16, that younger age. The reason for that is their chests haven't developed as much, so they're more susceptible to the blunt force of a ball.
It's described in lacrosse and, as I said, baseball and softball. It is not as well described or rarely is a result of a tackle in football. So, certainly people have talked about that as a cause, but we have no way of knowing with the information that we have now.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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The reason I asked about shoulder pads is the encorporated chest protection obviously renders your baseball and other comparisons nonsensical.
wasn't comparing them in the sense that the injuries or protection was the same.
was meaning more the timing of me hearing about potential deaths from a blow to the chest. I included the baseball disclaimer just because that was the most likely sport for it to happen.
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helmets aren't remotely as protective against head injury.
the ones we wore 30 years ago at a small 3A High School damn sure wasn't as good as the ones being used in the NFL today
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