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re: Bunky's mostly peaceful fishermen
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:07 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:07 am to IvoryBillMatt
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So, which is it? Are we at war or are we stopping crimes? Just release the memo.
The narrative changes depending on the argument. They're as confused as we are, they are just afraid to admit it.
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:07 am to IvoryBillMatt
It’s one thing to do it in Int’l waters. It’s another to strike someone’s port like Pearl Harbor.
Eventually, that’s gonna happen if they don’t stop it, but I’m sure there is major strategy going on.
This is the FIRST WAR ON DRUGS, Reagan’s was all talk, no action…. And was a smoke show & not serious about it because it’s our CIA with their hands in it for that dark money ops.
But Trump is actually doing it & anyone with their pants in a tizzy needs to kick rocks!
And the best to come from this is to free Venezuala from communism, we need to stop the movement down there in S.A., it’s a cancer that will creep into every country and that wouldn’t be good to be surrounded by them.
Plus. It will free up the Venezolana’s for some American Gringos.
I’ve got one and she’s the best thing that has ever happened to me in my life along with having my kids, but at least she helps my every day to day, kids not so much ?????
Eventually, that’s gonna happen if they don’t stop it, but I’m sure there is major strategy going on.
This is the FIRST WAR ON DRUGS, Reagan’s was all talk, no action…. And was a smoke show & not serious about it because it’s our CIA with their hands in it for that dark money ops.
But Trump is actually doing it & anyone with their pants in a tizzy needs to kick rocks!
And the best to come from this is to free Venezuala from communism, we need to stop the movement down there in S.A., it’s a cancer that will creep into every country and that wouldn’t be good to be surrounded by them.
Plus. It will free up the Venezolana’s for some American Gringos.
I’ve got one and she’s the best thing that has ever happened to me in my life along with having my kids, but at least she helps my every day to day, kids not so much ?????
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:08 am to CleverUserName
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You have yet to define the opposition in this current “war”.
Supposedly we are at war with foreign terrorist organizations. The government of Venezuela is alleged to be running at least one of these FTOs.
Why wouldn't FTO operations in Venezuela be legitimate targets?
FWIW, I don't know if this particular video is of Venezuela.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:10 am to CleverUserName
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sanctions from other nations
Like a sternly worded letter? Or action from the UN? I'm not advocating for just droning them in port but the reality is nobody can do anything really especially not over something as trivial as 'fishing boats'. We basically subsidize the entire world with very few exceptions these countries aren't going to cut off one's nose to spite one's face.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The narrative changes depending on the argument. They're as confused as we are, they are just afraid to admit it.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:25 am to Westbank111
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And the best to come from this is to free Venezuala from communism, we need to stop the movement down there in S.A., it’s a cancer that will creep into every country and that wouldn’t be good to be surrounded by them.
It's the shifting justifications for blowing up of THESE boats and not ones that are unambiguously headed for the United States that is annoying.
It's proof that Trump is NOT a king. His administration has to at least put out plausible lies which justify blowing up these boats and not ones destined for the US.
I'm really thankful that Trump is President and that we have the system we do. Having our Presidents lie about foreign policy is just part of the system. If you don't see that, no amount of internet discussion is going to change your mind. You just get angry with those who point out the lies.
NOT directed at you, Westbank.
Cheers
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:27 am to Bunk Moreland
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I'll bet there is no fentanyl on those boats.
I like how you guys keep using this line. You're essentially saying that we should allow any drug in as long as it's not fentanyl, and that's pretty stupid.
Drugs are bad. You don't ignore them just because they aren't the worst drug around.
You people constantly overlook what Venezuela has done to our country. They intentionally sent violent criminals here who took over apartment complexes and murdered Americans.
We simply don't care what drug the cartel is running. It's moronic to use that as an argument like you constantly do. People who harm our country should die. It's really that simple.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:27 am to Westbank111
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But Trump is actually doing it & anyone with their pants in a tizzy needs to kick rocks!
And the best to come from this is to free Venezuala from communism, we need to stop the movement down there in S.A., it’s a cancer that will creep into every country and that wouldn’t be good to be surrounded by them.
Like owning stock in private companies?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:27 am to tide06
quote:That's all well and good. But I have a couple of issues with the way it's being handled and the timing of it.
The fentanyl and drugs need to be addressed and I’m fine with people involved with the trade knowing death is always at their door as they sell it to our neighbors and children.
1. It has become quite clear to me (and I believe many others) that this is not about drugs. Blowing up a few random boats is in no way going to curtail the drug trade in America. It won't even make a dent. Most thinking people have come to that realization.
2. It is no secret that regime change is on the agenda and this could be an intro to that plan, much like the buildup of terrorism leading up to the 9/11 false flag operation.
3. How do we know that these boats aren't being blown up because they pose a threat to the drug kingpins? How do we citizens know that the Deep State isn't just cleaning out the competition?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:34 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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like how you guys keep using this line. You're essentially saying that we should allow any drug in as long as it's not fentanyl, and that's pretty stupid.
No one is saying that. We're just pointing out that the Administration is having to sell the executions by lying and saying that FENTANYL is on the boats. It was like Trump justifying the same intitial emergency tariffs on Mexico, China, and CANADA based on FENTANYL.
Don't market to us. Just tell us the truth.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:39 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Supposedly we are at war with foreign terrorist organizations. The government of Venezuela is alleged to be running at least one of these FTOs. Why wouldn't FTO operations in Venezuela be legitimate targets?
And which country is “foreign terrorist organizations”? What does their flag look like? They have a seat at the UN? Who has legitimate diplomatic relations with them? They recognized as a nation by anyone? What type of government they have? What were the results of their last elections? Has the US attacked their sovereignty?
Now do the other.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:42 am to Rip Torn
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Your argument is nonsensical and the problem with you people is your obsession over the process not the results.
What are the results? How do you know we're not just taking out boats of Cartel A based on tips from Cartel B?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:00 am to CleverUserName
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And which country is “foreign terrorist organizations”?
I thought Tren de Aragua WAS the Venezuelan government?
"The self defense argument revolves around Trump’s designation of Tren de Aragua as a foreign terrorist organization, a claim advanced by Miller in order to defend the deportations of dozens of Venezuelans earlier this year under the Alien Enemies Act.
The administration claimed that Tren de Aragua had infiltrated the regime of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro – and so the presence of the cartel’s members in the US amounted to a “predatory incursion” by a foreign nation, allowing for the deportation of any Venezuelan national.
“It is a drug cartel that is running Venezuela,” Miller told reporters at the White House earlier this month as he characterized Maduro as the head of the cartel. “It is not a government, it is a drug cartel, a narco-trafficking organization that is running Venezuela.”
Just release the legal memorandum justifying the strikes and clear up any confusion.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:22 am to Decatur
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Lethal force can only be used in actual self defense consistent with the UN Charter. The interdiction of these boats is a law enforcement matter, not a military one. Of course the military can assist law enforcement to interdict drug boats but blowing them out of the water without any military hostility is unlawful
Yet..... it's happening!
It's the right approach to dealing with narcos, especially when they are designated terrorist.
Finally, someone is truly dealing with the issue.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:23 am to IvoryBillMatt
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How do you know we're not just taking out boats of Cartel A based on tips from Cartel B?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Like owning stock in private companies?
Is this bad? Because the US has owned a ton of stock in domestic automakers before. Well beyond a controlling stake as a matter of fact. And that was heralded as a great move that saved the industry.
And the morons in charge then sold it at a loss.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:26 am to CleverUserName
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Is this bad?
Not if you subscribe to this guys fairy tales.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:28 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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We simply don't care what drug the cartel is running.
Of course you dont, because this is simple virtue signaling and will not restrict people from getting their drugs.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:30 am to lake chuck fan
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It's the right approach to dealing with narcos, especially when they are designated terrorist.
Evidently the POTUS can designate anyone a terrorist that he wants.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:31 am to lake chuck fan
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It's the right approach to dealing with narcos, especially when they are designated terrorist.
The FTO designation has nothing to do with the legality of the strikes.
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