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re: Can we start a Thomas Massie Appreciation Thread?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:10 am to Hayekian serf
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:10 am to Hayekian serf
quote:What is Massie's endgame?
Can we start a Thomas Massie Appreciation Thread?
Does he even have one?
We must have a SOTH to carry the Trump Agenda forward. The vote for SOTH has to be virtually unanimous d/t the slim majority. "I ain't votin' fer Mike Johnson," is not going to elect anyone as SOTH. So what is Massie's plan to elect the next SOTH? Who has a better shot than Johnson?
Do Massie, Roy, et al even know WTF a plan looks like? I ask, because if they do it is neither evident now, nor has it ever been evident. Their "plan" is to bitch and run their mouths. That is the extent of it.
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:42 am to DyeHardDylan
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Not sure the point you’re trying to make here.
As you described, he’s a huge hypocrite . Not sure what’s so great about doing what every one else does but then bitching about it.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:50 am to DyeHardDylan
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At the height of Covid hysteria in 2020 and everyone wanted to pass the trillion dollar CARES Act without even a recorded vote, Massie was the lone person who opposed it and warned that inflation was on the way. And he was damn right.
That's grandstanding. A brave vote is feeling heat back home. Massie will completely sell out his principles for some government cheese.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:11 am to DyeHardDylan
quote:That's fine. There are sound counterfactuals in that instance. But let's move this forward to the present.
At the height of Covid hysteria in 2020 and everyone wanted to pass the trillion dollar CARES Act without even a recorded vote, Massie was the lone person who opposed it and warned that inflation was on the way. And he was damn right.
Massie's actions are not about Johnson. They are about scuttling MAGA.
The Trump administration is incoming. By all accounts, DJT is ready to hit the ground running. In that regard, he's met with Mike Johnson numerous times. Johnson is on board. Massie seems interested in throwing up Trump roadblocks akin to Paul Ryan in 2016-17.
Massie's Debt Limit vote, ceding the ability of Dems to shutdown the Trump Agenda from the outset, is one example. His actions regarding Johnson are another. You're enamored with Massie's talk. I'm calling out his walk. Massie's talk and walk are at complete odds. At this time, in terms of his actions, he's a worthless GOP turd and Democrat aide until proven otherwise.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:04 am to Paddyshack
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Mike Johnson is not the person we need as Speaker. shite’s about to be dicey for the next two years, I at least want our Speaker to have a vertebrae and be fully on board with Trump’s agenda.
Trump thinks Mike Johnson is the right choice. Trump has a lot more information than we do.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:08 am to Penrod
quote:... and a far better action oriented agenda than a group of perpetual backbenchers with big mouths and no plan.
Trump has a lot more information than we do.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:01 am to NC_Tigah
May have missed it but have Massie/Roy actually given the name of the person they would vote for?
If not, then it really is just grandstanding at this point. Tell us they wish their was a better option, because Johnson has been a weak leader, but don't create such a stink with no other option to sell.
If not, then it really is just grandstanding at this point. Tell us they wish their was a better option, because Johnson has been a weak leader, but don't create such a stink with no other option to sell.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:03 am to NC_Tigah
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Massie seems interested in throwing up Trump roadblocks akin to Paul Ryan in 2016-17.
He's only holding Trump to Trump's promises about cutting spending, which is nothing like Ryan's justification
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:06 am to NC_Tigah
Exactly. 
Massie is a lighweight attention whore
Massie is a lighweight attention whore
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:07 am to Paddyshack
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They don’t know why. Mike Johnson is not the person we need as Speaker.
Maybe massie knows who the speaker should be. Would be nice if he explained who he liked and he could get public pressure for that guy.
Or he can just be a contrarian with no real solution other than to say no to everything.
I like massie. He’s one that will go on pods and have unscripted conversations. So maybe he can do that and explain why he thinks X would be a better speaker than Johnson.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:18 am to dgnx6
They're somewhat pulling a Gaetz, which isn't a good plan.
I think Massie/Roy did vote for Jim Jordan during the Gaetz fiasco
I think Massie/Roy did vote for Jim Jordan during the Gaetz fiasco
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:How?
He's only holding Trump to Trump's promises about cutting spending
How EXACTLY is he doing that?
Is he "holding Trump to Trump's promises" by handing Chuck Schumer the ability to shutdown the Trump agenda and load in Schumer's "Pork Projects" vis-a-vis the Debt Limit?
Is he "holding Trump to Trump's promises" by disrupting Trump momentum by throwing the House into chaos over a SOTH vote?
Those are blatant anti-Trump actions. They are as anti-Trump as anything Paul Ryan, Turtle, or John McCain ever did.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:28 am to NC_Tigah
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Those are blatant anti-Trump actions.
Only if Trump isn't pushing through massive spending cuts.
The problem is, it appears Trump is pushing through policies that will expand our deficit/debt.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:33 am to NC_Tigah
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What is Massie's endgame?
Does he even have one?
Zero plan, he is just the SlowFlowPro of the MAGA movement, at this time.
Doing nothing during the bioweapon attack unleashed by China would have resulted in Massie becoming Custer, surrounded by a sea of Marxist democrats. Our only option is a dirty fighting executive aka Trump.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:43 am to HagaDaga
quote:Negative.
have Massie/Roy actually given the name of the person they would vote for?
But for some insight into who he thinks might be "the person," here's what Massie said:
“It’s somewhat ridiculous to assert that Mike Johnson is the only member of Congress electable to Speaker. He was only electable the first time because he hadn’t held any type of leadership position, nor had he ever fought for anything, so no one disliked him and everyone was tired of voting. He won by being the least objectionable candidate."
So, as "past is prologue," Massie likewise feels the only electable SOTH for this Congress would be another person who "hadn’t held any type of leadership position, nor had ever fought for anything." Of course that Massie choice would not have been coordinating an agenda actions with Trump for the past two months.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:43 am to HagaDaga
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Which is fine, but what will people say when either or both end up voting for him?
I’ll say “good I’m glad they got on board”
I still don’t think he’s the man for the job. I also don’t want the Speaker vote to create unnecessary chaos and drama. For that reason, Massie and Roy should vote for him if there is no viable replacement.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:46 am to NC_Tigah
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So, as "past is prologue," Massie likewise feels the only electable SOTH for this Congress would be another person who "hadn’t held any type of leadership position, nor had ever fought for anything."
That is NOT the implication of his comment
He's saying the people who kept objecting the people like Jim Jordan settled on Johnson because he was not objectionable due to being a blank Avatar of sorts. He wasn't commenting on his process
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:49 am to NC_Tigah
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Do Massie, Roy, et al even know WTF a plan looks like?
It is not the job of a single congressman who is not in leadership to pick the SOTH. All he can do is vote for or against the person who is running.
Mike Johnson is up for a vote, Massie has said he is a "no"
It's pretty simple.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I asked how Massie's actions forward that claim.
Only if Trump isn't pushing through massive spending cuts.
I'll ask again.
How does Massie handing Chuck Schumer a brake lever to stop the Trump Train limit spending? Be specific.
How does Massie handing Chuck Schumer a tool to force premature budget porking (pun intended) negotiations limit spending? Be specific.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It is not the job of a single congressman who is not in leadership to pick the SOTH. All he can do is vote for or against the person who is running.
It's also their job to represent their constituents, and he was just elected in November again, and I doubt his constituents don't know his positions like this. This is why they elected him for multiple terms
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