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re: CDC stunned from Cape Cod beach outbreak - They were warned
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:40 am to the808bass
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:40 am to the808bass
How much of that can be attributed to the mental mindset tho? Thanks to the media, people thought COVID was a death sentence and were likely getting so worked up they ended up in a hospital with COVID.
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Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:52 am to Tiguar
So a shot that we don’t know the long term effects of sort works a little? I should get that v just living my life and having a very low chance of dying without the shot that we don’t know shite about? Keep trying to convince everyone dick
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:57 am to Jaydeaux
And throws a temper tantrum when you don’t accept that > 1 in 34 people will be hospitalized for Covid without the jab.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:58 am to Jaydeaux
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So a shot that we don’t know the long term effects of sort works a little?
“Works a little” isn’t a way to describe what we’re talking about.
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I should get that v just living my life and having a very low chance of dying without the shot that we don’t know shite about? Keep trying to convince everyone dick
That’s perfectly fine for you to make that choice. I would fight next to you for that freedom. I do not wish to fight for your freedom to argue with numbers. Stick to the autonomy argument.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:59 am to Robin Masters
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And throws a temper tantrum when you don’t accept that > 1 in 34 people will be hospitalized for Covid without the jab.
You don’t even understand the conversation and you’re pontificating away. Embarrassing.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:07 am to the808bass
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don’t even understand the conversation and you’re pontificating away. Embarrassing.
Logic would assume if you prevent 1 out of 34 from hospitalization then there were more than 1 in 34 ultimately destined for the hospital.
You think more than 1 out of every 34 people were destined for the hospital due to Covid?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:07 am to obdobd918
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We can no longer trust the CDC, WHO, Fauci, and anyone else who ignores the true science, even many good Drs who "believe" in Fauci and the CDC.
Hopeful Doc may not agree with your statement.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:09 am to Robin Masters
He doesn’t think, he knows. The hospitalization rate for wild type covid is about 4-4.5%.
It’s higher in certain populations and lower in others.
It’s higher in certain populations and lower in others.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:12 am to Robin Masters
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Logic would assume if you prevent 1 out of 34 from hospitalization then there were more than 1 in 34 ultimately destined for the hospital. You think more than 1 out of every 34 people were destined for the hospital due to Covid?
You’re starting from the wrong assumption. A number needed to treat is based on what would otherwise happen. In other words, if nothing was done versus the treatment you’re doing.
So, in this case, the vaccine (using this specific subset of data - which isn’t conclusive) appears to prevent 1 hospitalization for every 34 vaccinations versus doing nothing.
So if there would have been 2 hospitalizations, 34 vaccinations would have reduced it to one.
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You think more than 1 out of every 34 people were destined for the hospital due to Covid?
To address this secondary point, we have the data on this. 4.4% of people who get infected with Covid are hospitalized. That’s ~1 in 25.
This point has nothing to do with the conversation above. You’ve just misunderstood the discussion.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:13 am to Tiguar
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He doesn’t think, he knows. The hospitalization rate for wild type covid is about 4-4.5%.
It’s higher in certain populations and lower in others.
That is the question to ask. Is this beach in the NE an area with a representative sample wildly different than the average American thus causing hospitalizations to be less likely.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:17 am to joshnorris14
The data isn’t really useful more than as a proverbial cocktail napkin.
It’s not a strong argument either way. You can’t make it say the vaccine is going to stop all Covid and you can’t make it say the vaccine doesn’t work.
It’s not a strong argument either way. You can’t make it say the vaccine is going to stop all Covid and you can’t make it say the vaccine doesn’t work.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:19 am to joshnorris14
Possible, but it jives with what I’m seeing.
Hospitalization rates among the elderly here have plummeted and they’re vaccinated at an 80% clip.
We have more 30-40 year olds hospitalized right now than 70 year olds, at least at my particular hospital, which is insane to me.
Hospitalization rates among the elderly here have plummeted and they’re vaccinated at an 80% clip.
We have more 30-40 year olds hospitalized right now than 70 year olds, at least at my particular hospital, which is insane to me.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 7:20 am
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:22 am to BlueJays509
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How much of that can be attributed to the mental mindset tho? Thanks to the media, people thought COVID was a death sentence and were likely getting so worked up they ended up in a hospital with COVID.
Well this is a new one
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:25 am to the808bass
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You’re starting from the wrong assumption. A number needed to treat is based on what would otherwise happen. In other words, if nothing was done versus the treatment you’re doing.
So, in this case, the vaccine (using this specific subset of data - which isn’t conclusive) appears to prevent 1 hospitalization for every 34 vaccinations versus doing nothing.
So if there would have been 2 hospitalizations, 34 vaccinations would have reduced it to one.
I know all this.
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To address this secondary point, we have the data on this. 4.4% of people who get infected with Covid are hospitalized. That’s ~1 in 25.
You do not know this.
What you mean is 4.4% of people sick enough with Covid to go get tested for Covid wind up in the hospital. As we know there are many people who are asymptomatic for Covid.
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This point has nothing to do with the conversation above. You’ve just misunderstood the discussion.
I understood just fine. I was extrapolating the info perhaps in a different direction than you. I appreciate the feedback though.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:28 am to Robin Masters
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What you mean is 4.4% of people sick enough with Covid to go get tested for Covid wind up in the hospital. As we know there are many people who are asymptomatic for Covid.
This applies to both sets of data and is thus irrelevant.
You are out of your element, not that that appears very hard to do. Please outsource your science and math education when you home school.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:42 am to Tiguar
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This applies to both sets of data and is thus irrelevant.
You are out of your element, not that that appears very hard to do. Please outsource your science and math education when you home school.
If I’m wrong why are you the one melting down at 7:40 in the am?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:45 am to Robin Masters
Because I’m about to gear up another day of dealing with you mouth breathers who refuse to get vaccinated and would rather eat your horse paste.
I empathize with skeptics but belligerent ignorance deserves scorn.
I empathize with skeptics but belligerent ignorance deserves scorn.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 7:47 am
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:48 am to joshnorris14
quote:Yes.
Is this beach in the NE an area with a representative sample wildly different than the average American thus causing hospitalizations to be less likely.
The NE has a higher than avg vax rate.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:48 am to Tiguar
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Because I’m about to gear up another day of dealing with you mouth breathers who refuse to get vaccinated and would rather eat your horse paste.
I empathize with skeptics but belligerent ignorances deserve scorn.
Meanwhile the ceo of Pfizer made a cool Billion and your bitch arse is stuck on the front lines.
I guess I’d be pissed too knowing I was Covid cannon fodder.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:50 am to Tiguar
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You are out of your element
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