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re: Crowder was on TimCast tonight and didn’t do himself any favors
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:57 am to Roaad
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:57 am to Roaad
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Shapiro covered that, iirc. They made an offer to a PM to join their films division. Crowder was CC'd. Crowder lied about it.
Well it doesn't matter what Crowder says at this point. You don't believe it. The employee is the one who said it, but sure. Ben is never manipulative.
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:07 am to Azkiger
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The JB call/recording is slimy AF and speaks to Crowder's character.
"It's all business"
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:08 am to Roger Klarvin
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This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:14 am to dualed
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Initial offer was $50M over 4 years I believe. He wanted $30M per year
$30M/year for a mediocre podcast/streaming show? More proof inflation is still out of control.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:12 am to msutiger
That's pretty much it.
Unfortunately in the conservative movement we have a lot of emotion-led dumbasses who can't see 2 feet in front of their faces. Maybe it's a bit melodramatic in the phrasing but I agree with Jeremy's sentiment that this is a long war that will take decades to fight. We should all want stuff like their kids content to succeed as a viable alternative to the filth on Disney. It will require continued investment for offerings like that to take off. Doesn't have to be DW alone, but they are the most prominent and successful ones so far, and Crowder ain't doing shite, by comparison.
Unfortunately in the conservative movement we have a lot of emotion-led dumbasses who can't see 2 feet in front of their faces. Maybe it's a bit melodramatic in the phrasing but I agree with Jeremy's sentiment that this is a long war that will take decades to fight. We should all want stuff like their kids content to succeed as a viable alternative to the filth on Disney. It will require continued investment for offerings like that to take off. Doesn't have to be DW alone, but they are the most prominent and successful ones so far, and Crowder ain't doing shite, by comparison.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:18 am to dualed
... yeah he's not worth that much. Maybe Landow because he's funny, but Crowder not so much.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:26 am to Lou Pai
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We should all want stuff like their kids content to succeed as a viable alternative to the filth on Disney. It will require continued investment for offerings like that to take off. Doesn't have to be DW alone, but they are the most prominent and successful ones so far, and Crowder ain't doing shite, by comparison.
I agree we should want DW to succeed for those reasons you state, but you're shitting on Crowder for not doing shite which couldn't be further from the truth. He has amassed an audience and spread awareness on tons of things. I'm not sure why you'd even think a single individual like Crowder could financially make the same impact as some deep pocket billionaires. That doesn't mean what Crowder has done in the space isn't important.
The whole "piss off mug club thing" jeremey admitted was a format they use at DW because of Steven. Steven's point of that deal being predatory still stands. That said there is no way to know if everyone at DW has the same deal.
It's predatory because DW has the ability to make money of Steven and all of his content through subscriptions regardless of him being demonetized on social media. Steven can be penalized but would not share in potential profits he would bring in.
I'm not trying to say Steven did not do anything wrong. He most assuredly did, but DW is not innocent. If you want to bag on Crowder for recording the phone call of a friend, then one can rightly bag on Jeremy for offering his "friend" such shitty terms to start with. I already ran through some numbers on the first page, but $12.5 a year is less than half what Crowder would probably bring in on his own.
This whole thing needs to end though. The more personal DW gets, there worse it looks from them. They both need to succeed. DW is all about business and Crowder takes everything personally because LwC has always been a very personal thing for him. They just don't mesh. Lauren Chen had some very insightful commentary on this. She has been in the space for years and has seen many offers including one from DW.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:28 am to KiwiHead
... yeah he's not worth that much. Maybe Landow because he's funny, but Crowder not so much.
You're an idiot. You can run very conservative numbers yourself to get to a revenue number. He claims to have about 400k from mug club. Cut that number in half. Multiply it by $10 a month. Add in another $1-2 million annually in ad revenue. You're then sitting around $25 million.
You don't have to like Crowder to see the value in his show.
You're an idiot. You can run very conservative numbers yourself to get to a revenue number. He claims to have about 400k from mug club. Cut that number in half. Multiply it by $10 a month. Add in another $1-2 million annually in ad revenue. You're then sitting around $25 million.
You don't have to like Crowder to see the value in his show.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:38 am to mortgagemanlc
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I’m not sure we watched the same video. His points are valid regardless of his motivation for making them. You can’t take money from conservatives promising to fight big tech and then penalize your talent for what big tech does.
His points are entirely hypocritical, because he's upset that DW won't guarantee him money on platforms where he could be demonetized, even though Crowder, himself, knows full well how that game is played. He has his Youtube content, and then his uncensored content on Rumble. DW handles their business the same way. They do what they have to, to not get taken down from Youtube, so that they can still reach that audience, and from there they direct people where to go to get full content. Nobody is bowing to big tech, they are just using it against itself in a smart way.
So if Crowder is smart, he won't get himself demonetized, and it wouldn't be an issue. But being as DW is not a socialist organization, they aren't willing to simply guarantee Crowder a certain amount of money for content he isn't making, or money he isn't bringing in. So everything Crowder is saying about not taking money from conservatives has nothing to do with what DW is doing. They aren't penalizing anyone. They, themselves, are subject to the same rules as it pertains to any portions of their content that exist on big tech platforms. Crowder is either completely clueless here, or he's being completely dishonest.
And people continue to ignore the fact that this was just a term sheet. It was open to negotiation. Several people at DW have spoken about seeing those initial terms, and negotiating for something they were happy with, and even well after signing their contract, being able to ask for, and receive, amendments to those terms. That hardly sounds like the slave contracts that Crowder wants us to believe they are handing out.
This dude has emphatically been refuted by people all over conservative media, including people with no affiliation to DW, and who consider themselves to be friends with Crowder, and yet he goes on TimCast and simply doubles down. I don't respect that level of ignorance, or dishonesty.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:43 am to Lou Pai
Yeah. I think Jeremy is pretty douchey but he's 100% right about how we've failed to present any alternative to any of the major influences on youth - our music mostly sucks, we have no major entertainment options that don't suck, our media has generally been boomer-targeted or lame, etc.
On Crowder, I'm not sure why this board keeps taking his crusade seriously, the guy is seeking out every camera he can find to throw a conservative outlet (pretty successful one) under the bus in an attempt to create an independent brand for himself.
Crabs and buckets, etc.
On Crowder, I'm not sure why this board keeps taking his crusade seriously, the guy is seeking out every camera he can find to throw a conservative outlet (pretty successful one) under the bus in an attempt to create an independent brand for himself.
Crabs and buckets, etc.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:45 am to Roger Klarvin
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Crowder was on TimCast tonight
Boy that sounds like a real hoot
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:59 am to Metaloctopus
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His points are entirely hypocritical, because he's upset that DW won't guarantee him money on platforms where he could be demonetized, even though Crowder, himself, knows full well how that game is played. He has his Youtube content, and then his uncensored content on Rumble. DW handles their business the same way.
You don't watch Crowder's content. His Youtube and Rumble content are the same when he's not banned from YouTube at least. The uncensored content was what was mug club only on the Blaze.
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So if Crowder is smart, he won't get himself demonetized, and it wouldn't be an issue.
You don't see how this might possibly be out of his control? Being skeptical of Covid for years or the lab leak theory would get you demonetized. Maybe you aren't thinking this through fully.
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They aren't penalizing anyone.
So this is the major sticking point. They could penalize him up to 110% I think he said last night. I get it, if DW doesn't make money, Crowder doesn't. What about subscriptions? What about ad reads? (sure they'd be less with him only streaming on rumble but they'd still be something) What about merch?
DW would get 100% of all of these things according to the term sheet. So guess who is still making money? DW. So even if Crowder is still driving subs and selling merch and reading ads, he's getting penalized because YouTube doesn't like a trans joke he made.
I like the DW but I can still see the issue here. From DW perspective it's just great business. From a content creator's perspective (Crowder), it's pretty predatory.
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This dude has emphatically been refuted by people all over conservative media, including people with no affiliation to DW, and who consider themselves to be friends with Crowder, and yet he goes on TimCast and simply doubles down.
This means absolutely nothing. There have been just as many agreeing with him on his issue with the deal.
For example, Viva Frei doesn't agree with Steven and Robert Barnes does. They are on a show together. There's no agreement here. I really hope this dies though because they are both net positives in the space.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:04 am to Metaloctopus
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because he's upset that DW won't guarantee him money on platforms where he could be demonetized
He’s already demonetized from YT and has been for 3 years
The DW simps are so pathetic. He would have increased their subs by 50% overnight. They are a cut throat business and are not friends with each other. Unless you believe the owners of DW are flat out retarded in regards to what they were trying to acquire. You guys probably think Warren Buffett is friends with David Solomon after he invested $5B in a b hole splitting deal for preferred stock and warrants.
Shapiro isn’t going to frick you, bro
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 12:45 am
Posted on 1/24/23 at 12:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He asked for that because he’s knows no business would ever do that and they’d say no, and then he gets to do the song and dance we’ve all seen.
The DW also put in there if he gets suspended from social media sites, it's like 15% per site, so if he got suspended from all of them (and he would, just to eff him)..he'd lose about 85% of that money.
Plus once suspended he can't publish required videos (of which he has to pay all production costs)...so there is a fee of about 100,000 per failed published video.
So he'd end up PAYING DW money for up to 6 years.
It was a HORRIBLE contract and no one who's not a moron would have signed it.
Is Crowder a whiney bitch who did this for publicity though? Yes, I don't like him.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 12:58 pm to NPComb
Crowder is kind of douche
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
Mark Dice did a couple YT follow up videos on the matter that are worth a watch.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:46 pm to Azkiger
If Crowder is banned from YT today he takes a financial hit.
Why should DW assume that risk?
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And this is the point that Crowder was making … if you aren’t going to stand up and fight back against big tech , you are helping big tech censor conservatives . His whole point was they need to fight back instead of bending over to big tech and taking it up the arse
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:54 pm to msutiger
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Also, is the daily wire pure? No. But is anyone? Also no. They are, however, doing more positive things for the conservative movement than anyone and it isn’t close.
i agree.
matt walsh is worth it alone for his work on the trans issue.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:41 pm to Roaad
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If you drive for a living, and you lose your license because of speeding tickets. . .will your job keep paying you the same wage, or at all?
But speeding tickets are not the same thing as some wokester saying your content is offensive and therefore you don’t get paid. Not to mention the fact that knowing this to be the case, the wokesters are bound to find more content to ban, which they know costs you money.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 4:03 pm to Roaad
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and how Crowder lied to everyone about it, caused Benjamin to bail on him.
I never bought the whole Christian angle from Crowder. At best a nondenominational type, but you're known by the fruit you bear and how he acts and talks just doesn't line up with it.
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