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re: Debate: "Small Gov Conservatives are not really small Gov"
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:01 pm to International_Aggie
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:01 pm to International_Aggie
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The Constitution.
Only the legislature has the authority to determine the value of minted currency. At no point, does it mention interest rates anywhere in the Constitution.
12 USC 85
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:03 pm to Lsupimp
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Intervention in the Free Market.
AKA Globalism.
Never in our history have we had a "Free Market" as defined by todays conservatives.
Name any time in our history where that took place.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:05 pm to White Bear
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Hard to be small gov when your competing against Santa clause’s money printer.
Agreed. We have to get control of the issue. We, as in the people. We control gov through our representatives. If those people do not listen, vote them out and make your state demand a COS.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:09 pm to BCreed1
Luckily we have federalism, and many of these things, like interest rates, can be done on the state and local level.
Small gov’t people want the federal government to be restricted in their powers by the constitution. If it’s not listed as an enumerated power, and it’s not necessary and proper to accomplish an enumerated power (bad SCOTUS precedent notwithstanding), then the federal government shouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Small gov’t people want the federal government to be restricted in their powers by the constitution. If it’s not listed as an enumerated power, and it’s not necessary and proper to accomplish an enumerated power (bad SCOTUS precedent notwithstanding), then the federal government shouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:17 pm to BCreed1
quote:Surely you know that stating a law exists is not the same thing as stating that a law is constitutional
12 USC 85
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:21 pm to BCreed1
People who are defeated by semantics amuse me.
People who believe in small government almost universally believe in sovereignty and always have been.
FFS
People who believe in small government almost universally believe in sovereignty and always have been.
FFS
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:25 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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12 USC 85
Surely you know that stating a law exists is not the same thing as stating that a law is constitutional
The power is given to whom? To the body that made the laws... congress.
Are you suggesting that it was not the intent of the founding fathers for congress to not do their job in that?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:27 pm to BCreed1
quote:Congress can only make laws that are allowed by the constitution.
Are you suggesting that it was not the intent of the founding fathers for congress to not do their job in that?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:28 pm to BCreed1
Anything that FedGov does that's not maintaining a military or negotiating trade is just a job they made up for themselves.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:33 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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Are you suggesting that it was not the intent of the founding fathers for congress to not do their job in that?
Congress can only make laws that are allowed by the constitution.
And you are stating that the Constitution does not give them authority?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:35 pm to BCreed1
quote:You seem to have confused conservatives with anarchists.
Is is small gov to have NO limits or criteria to immigration?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What were the limits to immigration when our Founders signed the Constitution?
What were the speed limits on interstate highways when our Founders signed the Constitution?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This reminds me of the leftists promoting Obamacare because people they claimed people were too stupid and didn't agree to the right contract, and they needed government to make these plans illegal, instead.
My plan was made illegal and my monthly premiums went up something like 10x
My plan was “illegal” too. Obamacare was the last straw forcing me to go from self-employed to deciding to be tied to an employer, because I could no longer pick which certain coverages were best for me and my family, and my premiums were going to more than double once the law went into full effect.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:41 pm to BigJim
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it seems like you could not take any criticism of Trump
Haven’t seen you posting in a while, but good to see you’re up to speed with the current state of the PoliBoard.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:42 pm to Taxing Authority
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You seem to have confused conservatives with anarchists.
And the person I was speaking to is a libertarian. Which is 100% no border party.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:43 pm to troyt37
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What were the speed limits on interstate highways when our Founders signed the Constitution?
Bringing up something that didn't exist (although the interstate system was a national defense initiative, FWIW, so Constitutional outside of the ICC) at the time is a weird gotcha attempt when immigration exists in both eras.
Why don't you bring up something else that also existed in both eras, like regulating guns or something?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This reminds me of the leftists promoting Obamacare because people they claimed people were too stupid and didn't agree to the right contract, and they needed government to make these plans illegal, instead.
My plan was made illegal and my monthly premiums went up something like 10x
And this is nothing like that. I mean nothing close to it. This is the gov forcing private citizens to have insurance.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:46 pm to BCreed1
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And this is nothing like that.
Saying people are too stupid to contract with others and they need protection from government applies in both cases.
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This is the gov forcing private citizens to have insurance.
That is a whole different discussion related to the ACA, but not one being discussed currently (and it was ruled unconstitutional anyway, while the relevant parts I referenced have not been).
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:46 pm to BCreed1
quote:The authority to do what? Set caps on credit card interest rates?
And you are stating that the Constitution does not give them authority?
The founders likely did not envision that the federal government would have the ability to regulate interest rates on private indebtedness agreements.
I’m sure the law you cited was passed under the tortured reading of the interstate commerce clause and would withstand scrutiny based on current precedent, but no, I don’t think the constitution gives them that power.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Pretty sure you are now picking and choosing:
What part of the Constitution gave Congress the power to create US Law: 12 USC 85:
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Bringing up something that didn't exist (although the interstate system was a national defense initiative, FWIW, so Constitutional outside of the ICC) at the time is a weird gotcha attempt when immigration exists in both eras.
What part of the Constitution gave Congress the power to create US Law: 12 USC 85:
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