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re: Did this ex-gay fellow's genetics change? or is there another explanation?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:10 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:10 pm to LSURussian
id imagine the answer is some of the gays do have a choice, some born that way.
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Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:13 pm to heartbreakTiger
Jack on Will And Grace proves that some men should have been born as girls.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:16 pm to Joshjrn
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Come back and give us an update in ten years. Pretending not to be gay is easy in the short term. Doing so for your entire life is a bit more difficult
Jesus said;" if a man looks at a woman with lust in his eyes, he's already committed adultery with her in his heart." It is clear that men will have sinful problems with lust regardless if he is straight or gay, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lusted again after a man or relapsed. The point is that he is making a conscience choice to walk away from a destructive practice with God's help and he should be encouraged and we shouldn't hope to see him fail.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:28 pm to Revelator
I appreciate your position. I simply don't believe that your book is divinely inspired. As such, I don't like to see people make themselves miserable because of said book.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:32 pm to Joshjrn
whether you believe or not really doesn't make a dent on reality, so you should probably quit trying to worry about everyone else's pursuit of happiness
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:32 pm to KeyserSoze999
I see nowhere in the article that he claims to no longer have homosexual feelings.
Just that he turned away from the "lifestyle."
Just that he turned away from the "lifestyle."
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:33 pm to Joshjrn
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I appreciate your position. I simply don't believe that your book is divinely inspired. As such, I don't like to see people make themselves miserable because of said book.
He seemed to be, self admittedly, miserable before in his former lifestyle. If this is his choice to seek a new lifestyle that is more healthy, I'm very glad for him.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:33 pm to KeyserSoze999
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so you should probably quit trying to worry about everyone else's pursuit of happiness
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Did this ex-gay fellow's genetics change? or is there another explanation?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:34 pm to SammyTiger
The irony here ( nature ) is amazing.
Nature to you is square peg in round hole......
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:36 pm to Revelator
If he were gay God would not love him any less. The only sin/wrongdoing about homosexuality is it being forced in schools, society, politics like a religion. I happen to agree with the Popes position. Embrace them. God loves all.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:44 pm to KeyserSoze999
Anecdotes mean everything
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:46 pm to GumboPot
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Or he could have developed a taste for vagina, like developing a taste for fine scotch?
I'm not gonna look at Scotch or Vagina the same way ever again.
Vagina is the best. It simply can't be duplicated, there is no substitute. Women have what I need, and I don't get how any man could feel any other way.
And don't say "how do you know if you haven't tried men", because that's fricking bullshite. In all the years I've been going to gyms, and all of sets of Vols&Shafts I've had to see flopping about in the locker rooms, I never had the desire to get a closer view of any of them, men are disgusting hideous creatures, all of us.
You're a sick dude Toddy (I know you're reading this thread), you need a pu$$y intervention, immediately.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:46 pm to KeyserSoze999
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whether you believe or not really doesn't make a dent on reality, so you should probably quit trying to worry about everyone else's pursuit of happiness
What gave you the indication that I was worried?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:49 pm to cajunangelle
I agree and disagree, God hates sin but loves the sinner.
The only way back to God is the remission of sins through J.C. the saviour, and the first step J.C. told the woman at the well was that she repent ( turn 180 degrees ) from your ways.
The fact is separation from God is hell and until we repent and accept the free gift of life from J.C. we are not any part of God the Father and are destined for separation ( hell ) from God.
True, God loves us, but if we choose another way, greed, lust, envy, hate, murder, lies, fear, and a different master, then God's love for us can't mature into a relationship because God can't come into the presence of sin.
The only way back to God is the remission of sins through J.C. the saviour, and the first step J.C. told the woman at the well was that she repent ( turn 180 degrees ) from your ways.
The fact is separation from God is hell and until we repent and accept the free gift of life from J.C. we are not any part of God the Father and are destined for separation ( hell ) from God.
True, God loves us, but if we choose another way, greed, lust, envy, hate, murder, lies, fear, and a different master, then God's love for us can't mature into a relationship because God can't come into the presence of sin.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:55 pm to cajunangelle
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If he were gay God would not love him any less. The only sin/wrongdoing about homosexuality is it being forced in schools, society, politics like a religion. I happen to agree with the Popes position. Embrace them. God loves all.
This is true but as a Christian there is a fine line when it comes to "embracing". It is irresponsible as a Christian to validate/accept/promote sinful behavior.
If you give acceptance to gay behavior it would be hypocritical for example not to accept/tolerate someone who robs banks.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:27 pm to SammyTiger
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Sure you can definitely choose not to act on your nature. But that doesn't change your nature
I'm genetically inclined to screw you wife, ST; if she appeals to me. That's genetics.
So, if we act on our nature and that would be wise. The jails are full of people who acted on their nature; actions are easy...it's the consequences that count.
This man now has the potential to produce and nurture a loving and productive family. So what if he chooses to ignore his (supposed homo)sexual nature and the cause celebre' of a (supposed gay/liberated/free/happy, and go for the rigors and demands of family life. That would make him what...less virtuous? Living a lie? Less happy? Less of a contributor to Society?
If the gays can't wish him well, they ought to at least understand persecution enough to leave him the hell alone.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:39 pm to Joshjrn
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I appreciate your position. I simply don't believe that your book is divinely inspired. As such, I don't like to see people make themselves miserable because of said book.
I understand your position. However, those that follow the book of their own accord, do not make themselves miserable.
I do not argue for or against people being born gay, as I do not think it matters.
I think people are born with a penchant for doing wrong (lying, stealing, cheating ect...) it is in our nature. The message of Christianity is that we can be changed from our old nature to a new one. I also believe it is not done in a moment the result of some supernatural act, but rather over time as a result of supernatural grace that enables us to make the right decisions over a period of time and in so doing we see our nature or our character reshaped.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:39 pm to KeyserSoze999
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a debilitating bout with intestinal cramps caused by the upset stomach-inducing behaviors I’d been engaged in
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:42 pm to LSURussian
quote:Everyone has a choice, but physiology has a voice.
This reminds me of a question I've always had: do gays have a choice?
It's very likely polymorphic.
For folks experiencing virtually no attraction to the opposite sex (K5, K6) there is, with near certainty, an accountable biologic mechanism.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 3:44 pm to northshorebamaman
Meh...NS. I don't EVEN want to think about the particulars of that statement.
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