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re: Does Satanism exist without Christianity?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What defines being Christian?
I can tell you easier what doesn’t make up being a Christian.
A Christian doesn’t believe that he will one day be a god with his own planet, multiple spiritual wives and will populate this new planet with spiritual children.
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:40 pm to the808bass
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You’re talking about you things you don’t understand. Someone has to point it out.
All you're pointing out is that your standards change on your own whim.
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Would you like to take a shot at defining Christology?
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Christology is a branch of Christian theology that studies the nature and work of Jesus Christ. It seeks to understand who Jesus is, what he did, and what his life and teachings mean for humanity.
Here are some key aspects of Christology:
The Incarnation: This is the belief that Jesus Christ is both fully God and fully human. He is the Son of God who took on human flesh and lived among us. The Incarnation is a central mystery of the Christian faith, and it is what makes Jesus Christ the unique bridge between God and humanity.
The Atonement: This is the belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. His death is seen as a sacrifice that reconciles us to God and makes it possible for us to be forgiven and saved.
The Resurrection: This is the belief that Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the third day after his crucifixion. The Resurrection is seen as a powerful vindication of Jesus' claims and a demonstration of his victory over death.
The Ascension: This is the belief that Jesus Christ ascended to heaven after his resurrection. He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, where he intercedes for us and reigns over all creation.
Christology has been a subject of much debate and discussion throughout Christian history. Different Christian traditions have developed different understandings of the nature and work of Jesus Christ. Some of the most important Christological controversies include:
The debate over Arianism: Arius, a fourth-century theologian, taught that Jesus Christ was not eternally begotten of the Father, but was created by the Father at a point in time. This view was condemned as heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
The debate over Nestorianism: Nestorius, a fifth-century patriarch of Constantinople, taught that Jesus Christ had two distinct persons, one divine and one human. This view was also condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD.
The debate over Chalcedonian Christology: The Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD defined the orthodox understanding of Christology, stating that Jesus Christ is one person with two natures, divine and human. This definition has been widely accepted by Christians throughout history.
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For bonus points, delineate the variations in Christology between the later revivalist sects versus Catholicism.
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Delineating the variations in Christology between later revivalist sects and Catholicism necessitates acknowledging the vast diversity within both categories. While generalizations can be made, it's essential to remember that within both camps, various denominations and individual theologians hold nuanced and sometimes conflicting views. However, here are some key points to consider:
Nature of Christ:
Catholicism: Upholds Chalcedonian Christology, affirming Jesus as one person with two natures, fully divine and fully human. Emphasizes the hypostatic union, where the divine and human natures coexist without confusion or separation.
Revivalist Sects: Vary considerably. Some, like Methodists and Pentecostals, primarily adhere to Chalcedonian Christology. Others, like Oneness Pentecostals, lean towards Modalism, emphasizing the oneness of God who manifests in different modes as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Still others, like some Jehovah's Witnesses, may hold non-Trinitarian views that differentiate Jesus from God the Father.
Soteriology (how humans are saved):
Catholicism: Combines faith in Jesus' work with the need for cooperating grace through sacraments and participation in the life of the Church. Emphasizes faith, good works, and the Church's role in mediating God's grace.
Revivalist Sects: Often emphasize "sola fide" (faith alone) for salvation, downplaying the role of good works and sacraments. Focus on individual conversion and personal experience of Jesus Christ. Some sects may emphasize predestination or divine election.
Role of the Church:
Catholicism: Views the Church as a divinely instituted institution with a hierarchical structure and defined sacraments. Sees the Church as necessary for mediating God's grace and for the full practice of the Christian faith.
Revivalist Sects: Often less hierarchical and more congregational, emphasizing individual relationships with Christ and the Holy Spirit. Some may view the Church as secondary to individual conversion and spiritual experience.
Emphasis on certain aspects of Christ's work:
Catholicism: Emphasizes the whole range of Christ's work, including his teachings, his miracles, his atoning death on the cross, and his resurrection and ascension.
Revivalist Sects: May have specific emphases depending on the tradition. Some sects focus more on Christ's redemptive sacrifice, while others may emphasize his healing power or his second coming.
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Catholicism: Places strong emphasis on tradition and historical development of Christological thought.
Revivalist Sects: Often prioritize personal experience and scriptural interpretation over historical precedent.
Remember, these are general trends, and exceptions and variations exist within both categories. It's crucial to approach specific denominations and theologians with openness to their unique perspectives on Christology.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:42 pm to Revelator
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A Christian doesn’t believe that he will one day be a god with his own planet, multiple spiritual wives and will populate this new planet with spiritual children.
Can you cite the specific scripture you rely upon for this?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Others, like Oneness Pentecostals, lean towards Modalism, emphasizing the oneness of God who manifests in different modes as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Still others, like some Jehovah's Witnesses, may hold non-Trinitarian views that differentiate Jesus from God the Father.
Yup. These people are also not Christian.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:47 pm to the808bass
I'd hate to hear your harsh words towards Seventh Day Advent Hop-ists.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
It’s not harsh.
And Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t want to be known as Christians. They’ve far exceeded their initial recruiting ceiling.
And Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t want to be known as Christians. They’ve far exceeded their initial recruiting ceiling.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Can you cite the specific scripture you rely upon for this?
I’m trying to find your angle here. Obv one can’t point to a scripture that explicitly denounces this. Are you trying to imply it’s all built on a house or cards or something?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:07 pm to 4cubbies
No I just think he's being idiosyncratic and making personal proclamations as if they're accepted generally.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Can you cite the specific scripture you rely upon for this?
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
The Bible says we will be with the Lord for eternity.
Jesus said our mansions are in his Father’s house and that’s where we will live.
We won’t be out alone creating our own worlds as gods.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
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They are Christian.
No, they are not. There is a reason why I made the Ru Paul reference. Mormons identify as Christians. Ru Paul identifies as a woman. Both are neither.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:31 pm to Revelator
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Or God created a heavenly host with the ability to exercise free will, and one of those beings decided to revolt
What would be the purpose of a heavenly host?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:38 pm to Willie Stroker
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What would be the purpose of a heavenly host?
I can’t answer that with any certainty, because I can’t decipher the mind of God.
But it appears God desired a heavenly family, and part of this family is made up of heavenly beings called the Devine Council and all manner of the heavenly hosts.
It appears that Lucifer was part of this council.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:41 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You’re not really interested in one. You have your own very narrow-minded religious beliefs.
Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but, do you not realize the irony of this statement?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:44 pm to Revelator
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and so we will always be with the Lord.
Is there anything that exists outside the Lord?
If not, why can't what you described also be considered to be "with the Lord"?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:46 pm to Willie Stroker
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Willie Stroker
Hey there friend. What do you think happens when humans die? FYI, this is genuine curiosity.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:47 pm to Prodigal Son
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Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but, do you not realize the irony of this statement?
No, I don’t. I don’t have narrow-minded religious beliefs.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:50 pm to Azkiger
I thought I had posted something very similar, but apparently I left it as a draft and forgot to press submit. I agree with your question/reasoning, nontheless.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t have narrow-minded religious beliefs.
Emphasis on the word "religious".
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:54 pm to Azkiger
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Emphasis on the word "religious".
Well, that was the accusation. To what beliefs of mine are you referring? The fact that I don’t openly call for genocide of Palestinians like many on this board? I think that’s what’s gotten you agitated recently, right?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:54 pm to Azkiger
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Is there anything that exists outside the Lord? If not, why can't what you described also be considered to be "with the Lord"?
With that logic, any cult could add any teachings imaginable into their doctrine and say it’s possible.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:56 pm
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