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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:50 am to
Posted by RetiredSaintsLsuFan
NW Arkansas
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:50 am to
It should not!!
Posted by longtooth
Member since Jun 2013
529 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:16 am to
People need to start making clear distinctions between someone here illegally and a non-citizen who is here LEGALLY.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:16 am to
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People need to start making clear distinctions between someone here illegally and a non-citizen who is here LEGALLY.

Not really
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:17 am to
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People need to start making clear distinctions between someone here illegally and a non-citizen who is here LEGALLY.



The US Constitution does not provide exclusions for immigrants of any kind.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
64264 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:18 am to
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Does United States constitutional rights apply to non-US citizens?


No, none of them do.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8413 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:19 am to
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The 2nd amendment is written in terms of "the people" not "person", which denotes citizenship.

imagine sitting around in the late 18th century and somehow knowing that in a couple hundred years there would be lawyers dissecting your use of "people" vs "person"

so, SFP - what due process is each and every illegal alien in this country entitled to?
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:20 am to
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The US Constitution does not provide exclusions for immigrants of any kind.

probably because at the time of its writing, it was assumed that having borders meant we had borders
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:21 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
64264 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:22 am to
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the problem with the "due process" argument, is that "due process" is very subjective, and the leftists are deliberately using it to imply, or say straight up, that every illegal alien is due court dates and full reviews of their entire cases, which is of course ridiculous. they know damn well that that is a hopeless proposition to keep up with, which is why they're hitching themselves to the "due process" concept.

leftists are honestly pretty amazing at twisting words and language to attempt to trap their political opponents into seemingly indefensible positions.


This is correct. The illegal aliens are the ones who did not commit to the "due process" required for entry into the country. Therefore, they are being given all process due to them when they are removed from the country immediately.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
60389 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:24 am to
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probably because at the time of its writing, it was assumed that having borders meant we had borders



Doubtful. The very first immigration law ever supported open immigration (for white people).
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6525 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:28 am to
There is more involved here. You have people invading the country. That is like saying if a Japanese spy came into California in 1943 and blew up a factory that he would get due process.

Also, if you a breaking immigration law from the get go, there is no real due process. We know you are ehre illegally.

Lastly, no one debated this when mafia and IRA peeps were sent packing after arrest when found to not be citizens in the 50-80s
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8413 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:29 am to
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Doubtful. The very first immigration law ever supported open immigration (for white people).

is it your position that the United States should have completely open borders?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471805 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:30 am to
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imagine sitting around in the late 18th century and somehow knowing that in a couple hundred years there would be lawyers dissecting your use of "people" vs "person"

That distinction came up much earlier than "a couple hundred years" later.

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so, SFP - what due process is each and every illegal alien in this country entitled to?

That depends on a variety of factors that scale the DP required.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471805 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:30 am to
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probably because at the time of its writing, it was assumed that having borders meant we had borders

At the time of writing, what we didn't have was federal immigration laws
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8413 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:31 am to
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That depends on a variety of factors that scale the DP required.

i figured i'd get a lawyer answer like that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471805 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:32 am to
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i figured i'd get a lawyer answer like that.

It's the truth.

You'll get less DP for an immigration case and more for a criminal case and more DP in criminal cases as the severity of the crime/punishment increases
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8413 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:33 am to
so what is the minimum due process for an illegal alien caught by ICE
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