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re: Gaza as a U.S. Territory trial balloon still being floated by Trump.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:17 am to rmnldr
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:17 am to rmnldr
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The Abraham accords were easy. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have a bigger fish to fry in Iran.
Threatening to move hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees throughout the Arab states is not going to end well. It could fracture everything Trump already worked towards.
And that's why Trump is straight up shite talking on all this. There's nothing the United States can do to compel these middle Eastern countries to take mass quantities of Palestinians, or really to take any of them at all.
The entire region can’t stand those frickers. They stir shite wherever they fricking go.
It won't be long however before that Gal from Minnesota and AOC support this plan, so they can all come here.
Sometimes Trump just runs his frickin' mouth man. That's just how he is. We all voted for him knowing it. There's no grand strategery here.
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:22 am to Bunk Moreland
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Who is going to move 2 million people out of there?
Haven't you heard? They will volunteer and live happily ever after in the most beautiful neighborhoods.
Regional countries will foot the entire bill. And Gaza will be the new Riviera!!!
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:24 am to GumboPot
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The Palestinians, people like Chuck Schumer...
I wouldn't be surprised if this distraction was just so he could make this dig.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:31 am to GumboPot
I think this is a great idea if done correctly.
We could have a joint venture with Saudi to develope the natural gas fields. LNG facility for shipping to Europe. A banking hub for the Middle East with input from UAE, Bahrain etc. We could expand tourism through there into the rest of the region, Trump Tower Gaza!
The point would be to make all the ME countries cooperate to make something of Gaza, to make them have skin in the game. Israel benefits in they would have a stable neutral land next to them who doesn’t lob RPG at them while the others benefit monetarily.
We could have a joint venture with Saudi to develope the natural gas fields. LNG facility for shipping to Europe. A banking hub for the Middle East with input from UAE, Bahrain etc. We could expand tourism through there into the rest of the region, Trump Tower Gaza!
The point would be to make all the ME countries cooperate to make something of Gaza, to make them have skin in the game. Israel benefits in they would have a stable neutral land next to them who doesn’t lob RPG at them while the others benefit monetarily.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:39 am to rmnldr
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How are they taking it seriously?
Every ruling entity from DC to Beijing is now thinking in terms of the framing that Trump established by threatening US direct non-military intervention and permanent occupation.
The moment before that press conference the world was collectively entrenched in a pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian framework and now he has sewn chaos amongst all the major players by threatening to walk in and establish permanent US soil in that region.
The Arab states cannot allow that.
Israel wants the land themselves.
So now, instead of being focused on what amounted to an intractable zero sum game between the Arabs, Iran and Israelis, they have to contemplate an even worse fate: the US on Israeli's shoulder permanently altering the balance of power in that region like Guantanamo bay in Cuba or how we altered the power balance in the pacific by making the Philippines a major naval base of operations post the Spanish-American war.
And do they all suspect he doesn't really want that option? Likely.
Are they 100% certain he won't do it knowing that the Jewish lobby in DC runs that city? Absolutely not.
So now they're sitting back thinking trilaterally instead of bilaterally and having to balance whatever odds they assign of Trump following through (is it 20%? Is it 35%?) against their own interests and asking themselves how much better off everyone would be to put this issue to rest once and for all.
If it were a poker game there's a third player at the table with the deepest purse and who is a complete wild card. The power dynamics are completely altered.
Do I want the issue permanently solved over there so we can leave for the next 50 years and focus on our own issues? Damn straight.
But frankly I'm good with having a permanent base of operations in the region as a threat to all the powers if it goes that way. No more need for projecting power via carrier task forces or needing to secure deals to land troops if someone cuts off the flow of oil or interferes with shipping.
If something pops off we sail an MEU into our own port secured with our own F35s and protected by our own armored brigade.
It worked with Hawaii, it worked with Cuba and it would work over there... Id just prefer not to need it at all because the underlying problem it would serve to solve doesn't exist anymore.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:41 am to VOR
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Palestinians(including some Christians)
Palestinians are Muslim animals. There have never been a Palestinian who is a real Christian. Most likely propagandist.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 9:42 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:41 am to Pandy Fackler
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He's not forcing jackshit. Everyone knows all this Gaza bullshite Trump is talking is just one big giant bluff. That's it. It will never fricking happen and everyone knows it. Period, end of story.
There's no rope a dope. There's no 4D chess. There's none of that shite. It's all so ridiculously outlandish, no one takes it seriously.
This is just what he does.
All of this. The idiots on this board think everything Trump says is some master plan and is guaranteed to work perfectly. Most of it is just bullshite that will never even get started. Just look at his first term for evidence.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:42 am to Bunk Moreland
Without weighing in on this particular plan, this tweet isn't some brilliant stroke. US protectorates in Germany, Korea, Japan and Cuba for example haven't increased foreign military entanglements.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:44 am to GumboPot
Gaza's population needs to be dispersed across several Muslim countries away from Israel. Hamas members need a nice new prison island far away.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:49 am to Pandy Fackler
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And that's why Trump is straight up shite talking on all this. There's nothing the United States can do to compel these middle Eastern countries to take mass quantities of Palestinians, or really to take any of them at all.
The entire region can’t stand those frickers. They stir shite wherever they fricking go.
It won't be long however before that Gal from Minnesota and AOC support this plan, so they can all come here.
Sometimes Trump just runs his frickin' mouth man. That's just how he is. We all voted for him knowing it. There's no grand strategery here.
You're incorrect on every point outside of the entire region hating the Palestinians.
Yes we will end the war in some way shape or form. Various groups here and abroad will complain however its done so all I care about is finding a solution that advances American interests and puts us on the path to a permanent resolution to the Palestinian problem.
Yes AOC would love them to come here, but none of them will be allowed to.
Nearly all of them will have to go somewhere for some period of time while the area is rebuilt to whatever end the powers involved decide because its uninhabitable. Some may come back eventually, but its all dependent on what the final agreement is.
Yes there is strategery, its happening in front of you. Whether you like the end result remains to be seen, but some conclusion is coming which wasn't happening under Biden until he realized he needed something so he didn't give Trump an easy win post inauguration (aka the Jimmy Carter fail in Iran) so we got the temporary deal which solves nothing.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:52 am to Linoge
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Most of it is just bullshite that will never even get started. Just look at his first term for evidence.
You mean like the Abraham accords that nearly everyone said was impossible that Trump got done?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:56 am to GumboPot
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:15 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:23 am to AGGIES
Like I was saying yesterday.....embrace it as a development project that ultimately never gets off the ground. I'm looking for a River Ranch development opportunity in Khan Yunus. Live, Work & Play. Do we want a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods? Maybe a Bonefish Grill?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:45 am to Seldom Seen
This is fricked. Israel isn't an ally to the west. They're our fricking pimps and Trump just became their top hoe. They want to ethnically cleanse land that isn't theirs and dump the people to the West?
Yeah, frick all that! The fat pink/purple haired liberals were right on this one issue. This shite is a genocide where the West is the one dealing with the consequences.
Yeah, frick all that! The fat pink/purple haired liberals were right on this one issue. This shite is a genocide where the West is the one dealing with the consequences.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:56 am to Bwmdx
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We could have a joint venture with Saudi to develope the natural gas fields. LNG facility for shipping to Europe. A banking hub for the Middle East with input from UAE, Bahrain etc. We could expand tourism through there into the rest of the region, Trump Tower Gaza! The point would be to make all the ME countries cooperate to make something of Gaza, to make them have skin in the game. Israel benefits in they would have a stable neutral land next to them who doesn’t lob RPG at them while the others benefit monetarily.
I love the optimism and vision but how do we integrate over a million inbreds that want to exterminate all Jews in such a small footprint? Also how do we keep the people and families that would building a new Gaza safe from these savages?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:58 am to bird35
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This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:01 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
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It's retarded
Trump still hasn't learned to focus on what's important and just keep slinging crap on the wall
Most of his comments often contradict each other including "America First" which now appears expansionist
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:10 pm to GumboPot
Between this, Greenland, and Canada I really think trump just wants to have added territory to his legacy. Doesn’t matter where, what, how - but we’ve got to have new land before he leaves office
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