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Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:40 am to 3down10
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That the only thing cutting supply does is increase the prices making it more lucrative for the black market?
What should the government do if 2 737 planes crashed everyday killing everyone on board? Because that is what you had with Fentanyl in 2024.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:42 am to 3down10
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Has it ever occurred to people that the real problem is the demand?
So, just let it go unvetted
Yeah, great plan
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:48 am to IvoryBillMatt
While logical, the problem is when you cut supplies to drugs off for addicts they do crazy shite. We have to get people off of drugs or changing the supply won’t have the impact expected. We have a crisis because of the removal of oxy from the ecosystem. All users will do is switch to the next drug/fix.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:58 am to 3down10
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Has it ever occurred to people that the real problem is the demand?
Without a steady supply, the demand goes down.
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That the only thing cutting supply does is increase the prices making it more lucrative for the black market?
It also decreases availability greatly, which will push people back to just doing meth which is more readily available and far cheaper.
Is it a win? Against fentanyl addiction and Chini, yes. Against the human condition and addiction? No.
It's catch 22. Meth destroys just as efficiently but it's just a slower process. Fent often kills first time users.
How do I feel about it? Mixed bag. Any win again illicit underground CCP drug manufacturing is a good win. But the real problem truly is addiction and mental health. Still, I'll be pretty happy to see the amount of fentanyl on the streets greatly reduced.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:05 am to 3down10
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Except it's not problematic, it's the opposite of problematic.
The supply of fentanyl is problem solving?!?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:16 am to 3down10
quote:I have yet to see anyone defending you.
defend all sorts of evil regardless
Bitch
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:18 am to M. A. Ryland
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Fentanyl is different. The challenge with heroin and coke is that you have users that want their heroin and coke. But the heroin and coke users DONT want their heroin and coke laced with Fent.
The question should shift to how fentanyl exploded like it did?
And most of our current problems started in 2017 with the President’s Commission on Opioids
What we got was our new standard "state of emergency" and lots of new regulations that ignored the real cause of drug usage/addiction, as government typically does, and shifted the focus to more regulations on largely safe behaviors that did restrict the supply of safe opiates from the black market a great deal.
So what happened? Synthetic opiates started matching the demand, and fentanyl won that market war. Once that Pandora's box opened, things just got exponentially worse.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:15 am to 3down10
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All you can do is eliminate the demand and remove the negatives around it as much as possible. And you do that oddly enough by making it legal.
You can also eliminate demand by eliminating supply. If someone has never done drugs and there's no supply, then no demand is created. But when someone has never done it and someone else has it, that leads to them doing it and creating more demand.
You can attack the problem from both sides. You don't have to pick one and then pretend that stopping the other is completely useless. It's not a competition between solutions.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:19 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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You can also eliminate demand by eliminating supply.
The lessons learned over the 50 years of the WOD is that we cannot eliminate supply.
This fentanyl crisis is actually a great example of the negative externalities of that policy.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:26 am to 3down10
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"Man, I sure would like a beer or some alcohol today" either. And despite the fact it kills many people
Uhh beer is good for you
I’ve never drank chinese beer like ying ling and I’ve never done chinese fentanyl though
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:33 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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You can also eliminate demand by eliminating supply. If someone has never done drugs and there's no supply, then no demand is created. But when someone has never done it and someone else has it, that leads to them doing it and creating more demand.
You can attack the problem from both sides. You don't have to pick one and then pretend that stopping the other is completely useless. It's not a competition between solutions.
We have come to the current situation while the drugs have been illegal for decades.
If it worked, we wouldn't be talking about the problem.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:36 am to 3down10
You voted for Harris and bitch and moan about everything Trump does. It must suck going through life as a castrated eunuch pretending to really care about the Constitution
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:50 am to Rip Torn
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You voted for Harris and bitch and moan about everything Trump does. It must suck going through life as a castrated eunuch pretending to really care about the Constitution
You are much further left than I am.
I would gut 95% of all government. You'd cry about it.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:54 am to 3down10
Weird because the people you vote for only expand it exponentially so your empty words are amusing
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:12 pm to Rip Torn
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Weird because the people you vote for only expand it exponentially so your empty words are amusing
I voted for Trump dumbass. And the fact he increased government spending and has increased the size of government is exactly why I bitch about him.
Unlike you who praises the increases in spending/debt, the new taxes, all the inflation that's going to result from the spending and all the other leftist policies Trump has been pushing.
Because you are a Marxist, you're just too fricking stupid to realize it because you're a brainwashed cult member who can't look at actual policies for what they are.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:21 pm to el Gaucho
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Uhh beer is good for you
I’ve never drank chinese beer like ying ling and I’ve never done chinese fentanyl though
Have as much beer as you want, it's not my place to make those choices for you. That's the point. If you want to drink so much you get alcohol poisoning, then those are your choices and you will face the consequences for them. If you are a responsible adult, then you'll probably be just fine.
Just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean we allow people to drive drunk. It doesn't mean we allow people to hang out on the streets drunk as hell wobbling all over the place.
Did prohibition reduce the demand for alcohol? No, not really. There was an initial drop in consumption around 30%. However in just a few years consumption went right back to what they were when it was legal. All it did was create a black market. The government even tried poisoning the alcohol which killed people in an attempt to get people to stop drinking it.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:56 pm to 3down10
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You’ll bitch regardless
You'll obey and defend all sorts of evil regardless.
You're literally defending the notion of continuing to allow highly addictive, deadly fentanyl to continue to be imported into the U.S... Seems kind of evil to me.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:59 pm to 3down10
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Nah I’m just not completely controlled by the tv people like yourself.
I don't watch TV at all. I don't even do social media. I don't like podcasts either really.
I don't like politics and all the who did this and what gossip crap. But I do enjoy discussions about civics and what the functions of government are supposed to be.
So, you're into political philosophy... but don't care about how those philosophies practically/realistically apply to policy and government. Yep. Sounds like the typical Libertarian.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The question should shift to how fentanyl exploded like it did?
And most of our current problems started in 2017 with the President’s Commission on Opioids
Damn... You couldn't even let this thread go by without injecting TDS into and blaming Trump? Wow.
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