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re: Has Florida found the key to beating Covid-19?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:07 am to Jack Carter
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:07 am to Jack Carter
It’s being spun to illustrate that “lower vaccination rate states need more MAB” but that doesn’t hold water because Florida’s vaccination rate is solidly in the middle.
Perhaps Florida has found the perfect combination of vaccinating high risk folks while attaining herd immunity in the lower risk populations and MABing the others.
Maybe their high risk population has hit herd immunity in the middle of this wave and the cases we are seeing are in very low risk people living their lives, so deaths fall off.
That actually sounds very plausible to me.
Perhaps Florida has found the perfect combination of vaccinating high risk folks while attaining herd immunity in the lower risk populations and MABing the others.
Maybe their high risk population has hit herd immunity in the middle of this wave and the cases we are seeing are in very low risk people living their lives, so deaths fall off.
That actually sounds very plausible to me.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 8:08 am
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
That wouldn’t really change how the case/death relationship manifests itself, though- cases would fall off a cliff before deaths still.
But it’s possible that high risk people actually hit herd immunity in the middle of the wave and Florida is the only state in which this has occurred.
But it’s possible that high risk people actually hit herd immunity in the middle of the wave and Florida is the only state in which this has occurred.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:10 am to Tiguar
Yeah with this Delta issue it's clear that the vaccines are not nearly as effective in stopping breakthrough infections but do you have a significant effect on negative outcomes. Vaccination should be focused on the at risk populations primarily for this reason.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:12 am to joshnorris14
I would like to see the age ranges on the cases. If kids are getting it and spreading it at a higher rate than before, it could also add to a much lower death rate.
Either way you slice it, it needs to be investigated as something positive is definitely happening there.
Either way you slice it, it needs to be investigated as something positive is definitely happening there.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Vaccination should be focused on the at risk populations primarily for this reason.
You mean go with the original plan to vaccinate the at risk, not the entire population?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also Florida doesn't have to deal with the immigrant population like Texas does, which creates its own spread issues.
Disagree.
Due to tourism and migration due to work from home there is a huge level of outside traffic continually flowing through that state. Combine that with the large retirement age population and in theory it’s one of the most at risk states for virus spread in the country.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:16 am to tide06
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Disagree.
Due to tourism and migration due to work from home there is a huge level of outside traffic continually flowing through that state. Combine that with the large retirement age population and in theory it’s one of the most at risk states for virus spread in the country.
Not the type of immigrants I was referencing.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Honestly that’s not even a Delta thing. It’s easy to scape goat the variant, but the original EUA studies showed no difference in covid specific antibodies between groups. That meant people still got infected, they just didn’t fall ill.
This information has been available since December 2020 but our “betters” at the cdc misled the public.
This information has been available since December 2020 but our “betters” at the cdc misled the public.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:20 am to Tiguar
The Church of the Vaccine is something.
Like I said earlier in the Joe Rogan thread, they've also created millions of NPCs who think widely used, safe drugs are horse de-wormers and have conditioned them to respond that way in kind.
From day 1, treatment has been a dirty word for Covid.
The dishonesty from our betters has just been sickening.
Like I said earlier in the Joe Rogan thread, they've also created millions of NPCs who think widely used, safe drugs are horse de-wormers and have conditioned them to respond that way in kind.
From day 1, treatment has been a dirty word for Covid.
The dishonesty from our betters has just been sickening.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
The ivermectin thing is personal to me because family members have tried it and ended up hospitalized when it didn’t work. They refused MAB therapy and opted for the dewormer.
I don’t care if people try it but do it with shite we know that works, too.
I don’t care if people try it but do it with shite we know that works, too.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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significant effect on negative outcomes
This isn't true. Rona ICUs mirror the surrounding population.
In Iceland, 80% of the population is vaccinated and 78% of the people in ICUs are vaccinated. Similar in Israel, Massachusetts and other "tighter" places.
The US #s are thrown of by variable "fully vaccinated" status, lack of system veracity and variety of test viability. So if states wanted to fudge numbers, they could...
It appears the vaccination is helping small numbers cope well, as Israel found only a 39% efficacy rate, which is also subject to too many other factors.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:27 am to Tiguar
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There’s something else going on with the FL data- artificial or otherwise.
It’s called cracking down on the data collection/manipulation bullshite that was happening in state and local agencies
No longer do motorcycle crashes result in COVID deaths.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:27 am to joshnorris14
quote:Not apparently.
Has Florida found the key to beating Covid-19?
They changed method of death reporting which skews the case death graph.
LINK
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:28 am to TOSOV
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Hard not to believe that that approach killed way more people than needed. Also, kept all of this going longer than it should.
Left: "gotta break eggs to make an omelet"..."never let a good crisis go to waste".
It is ALL ABOUT CONTROL. Elitist know-it-alls imposing their beliefs on the whole of society. For the common welfare of course. Hell, Hitler believed that.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:28 am to theunknownknight
While this is probably the most likely explanation, I prefer to believe it’s because they hit herd immunity in at-risk populations because it means there is an end in sight 
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:29 am to joshnorris14
Just wait for the omega variant
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:29 am to theunknownknight
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No longer do motorcycle crashes result in COVID deaths.
I met an EMT from Miami who claimed she was on the clock when someone young and healthy died on a bike, and was counted as corona.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:36 am to tide06
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Due to tourism and migration due to work from home there is a huge level of outside traffic continually flowing through that state. Combine that with the large retirement age population and in theory it’s one of the most at risk states for virus spread in the country
I agree with this somewhat. But, I would think the tourists go there likely without symptoms since they're going on vacation. Stay a week or whatever and if they do contract it in Florida, they go back to their home state where the covid is then recorded. Same with people coming across state lines for work.
My family went to Florida a few weeks ago and holy crap it was just absolutely packed out. I'm not scare of Covid, but it was slightly uneasy feeling being around that many people. I don't like being around masses like that outside of this covid crap though. I also got news that a buddy passed from it while I was there which probably played some mind games on me.
I keep seeing Desantis talk about opening up monoclonal clinics everywhere he can. I'm interested to see the numbers around how many are treated with monoclonal antibody treatment, and what the success rate is. Desantis is one of the more logical politicians so I do believe he's convinced by the numbers.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:40 am to NC_Tigah
So what was the change? Deaths from Covid instead of deaths with Covid?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:43 am to tide06
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ue to tourism and migration due to work from home there is a huge level of outside traffic continually flowing through that state. Combine that with the large retirement age population and in theory it’s one of the most at risk states for virus spread in the country.
Tourists could have inoculated Florida faster than other states. Maybe we are seeing the advanced stage of the life cycle of the virus and it's not as bad as we were told.
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