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re: Healthcare cannot be fixed
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:35 am to Eurocat
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:35 am to Eurocat
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How did he screw up insurance for independent contractors? We are working people too and greatly benefit from the chance to get an obama plan.
Liar.
I was a contractor and got insurance from a broker for my family for less than $200/month. It was a high deductible plan, with rx, checkups, and prenatal coverage. That’s all people need. Choose your level of exposure.
The notion that people had no access is absolute bullshite.
The system is fricked up, that’s true. But Obama sent it the frickup into hyper drive, including the death of hundreds of hospitals that can’t exist with cost of ACA compliance, low reimbursements, and massive increase of deadbeats. There are huge areas of the country now with zero emergency access for HOURS thanks to Hussein and company passing the bill before reading it…
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Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:36 am to Eurocat
Nice benefits but you do so at the expense of someone else. How is that right?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:42 am to TerryDawg03
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One huge step in the right direction would be to separate catastrophic coverage for major procedures and diseases from coverage to see a primary care doc and get basic medications.
The two unavoidable things that skew the cost of healthcare are old people and sick people. We have a plan for old people, Medicare. We have no plan for really sick people.
If Medicare or something similar could step in a pay for certain illnesses and procedures, the remaining cost would be more manageable for everyone and insurance would be more affordable and dynamic.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:46 am to TaipeiTiger
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Elective surgery and some other types of treatment aren't covered but it works well
How is “elective surgery” defined? Bc if it’s any surgery that isn’t immediately necessary to save one’s life, then we have a big problem here.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:47 am to Eurocat
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How did he screw up insurance for independent contractors?
By mandating minimum coverage to include tons of nonsense that you will never use. Thus driving competition out of the industry and costs up.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:48 am to Eurocat
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Singapore
A small population.
Dense as frick.
Highly educated.
Healthy lifestyles.
They are not like us at all.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:49 am to onmymedicalgrind
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How is “elective surgery” defined?
Yes. That is the question. We should definitely cover at 100% whatever surgeries you do.
I’m partially kidding. But also partially making the point that the vested interests in the system help drive the costs up.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:51 am to Eurocat
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Not necessarily, it works in Singapore where I have family, Higher taxes, yes, but zero insurance payments, combined they pay less and get more.
Tell us all how it would work if one political party would allow an ~10% increase in their population by illegal immigrants over a couple decades. You know where ~60% do not contribute to society! Oh and you had one President of that political party try to damage the current system bad enough to force socialized medicine.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:51 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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The idea that every single person has a right to access whatever Healthcare they need. Oh I get it. It sounds callous to say that but suck it up emotional wrecks.
I’ve had some success framing the discussion as “what is the best way to allocate finite resources?”
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:53 am to the808bass
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Why would you claim they don’t?
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The phrase “healthcare is a human right” reflects that ethos and you can find that everywhere.
I don’t think most Americans, even the dumb ones, think people have a right to get a boob job. That’s why I responded to that post in that way.
I understand what you are saying. No one has a human right to a hip replacement. But I do support emergent life saving care for anyone that shows up needing it bc, well, quite frankly it’s not always clinically feasible to check insurance status first.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:57 am to Eurocat
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I am sorry but it seems that some of the complainers want "something for nothing" when it comes to health care. I am sorry, but everyone has to pay a bit.
So for you to get shitty insurance at the price you would have paid pre Obamacare you want all the people who had insurance to subsidize to the tune of 4 X increase a month to get worse insurance than we had……sounds like you are the freeloader you are talking about.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:58 am to onmymedicalgrind
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But I do support emergent life saving care for anyone that shows up needing it bc, well, quite frankly it’s not always clinically feasible to check insurance status first.
I do support that as well.
Almost everyone does.
The sticky wicket is in where we draw the line on indigent care.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:58 am to Eurocat
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I know I will get tomatoes and potatoes thrown at me for saying this but this all is an argument for socialized medicine.
Shows that loser has never had the pleasure of dealing with the VA…….
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:59 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:LOL
What's the underlying problem?
Are you serious?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:00 am to Eurocat
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Not necessarily, it works in Singapore where I have family, Higher taxes, yes, but zero insurance payments, combined they pay less and get more.
False.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:00 am to Grumpy Nemesis
There's a lot of money in treating chronic illnesses. Look around at how many of these dialysis clinics there are. Many of these patients don't pay for their care, because they are disproportionately represented by black and hispanic people that already make terrible lifestyle choices (combined with their genetic predisposition.)
They don't pay for their care. You and I do. We take care of prisoners, homeless, and every welfare dumb arse that lives off of doritoes and "cold drinks."
We are being bled out by the enormous number of indigents in this country.
We have to stop subsidizing bad lifestyle choices.
They don't pay for their care. You and I do. We take care of prisoners, homeless, and every welfare dumb arse that lives off of doritoes and "cold drinks."
We are being bled out by the enormous number of indigents in this country.
We have to stop subsidizing bad lifestyle choices.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:00 am to TigerAllNightLong
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I’ve had some success framing the discussion as “what is the best way to allocate finite resources?”
But then you have to define “finite” for them.
And “allocate.”
And then you have to find a way to explain to them that not everything can exist.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:01 am to Smokeyone
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By mandating minimum coverage to include tons of nonsense that you will never use. Thus driving competition out of the industry and costs up.
If people don’t ever use the mandated requirements anyway, how would that have a meaningful impact on anything?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:01 am to 10thyrsr
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You are missing the point that having billion dollar (for profit) companies acting as a middle man deciding what care you get and driving up prices beyond what the market can bear is the problem. We have no agency. Costs for care are skyrocketing because we are caught in a war between inflated medical costs, because they HAVE to inflate
All of this. ALL OF IT stems from our idiotic attempts to assuage the belief among the public that EVERYONE has a RIGHT to access whatever HC they need WHENEVER they need it.
This has forced one retarded attempt after another from National HC to our Insurance system. Both are trying to satisfy and impossible desire.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:02 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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False.
A quick Google search shows that Singapore forces people to pay into their version of HSAs. And then they do cost sharing.
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