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re: Houston teachers union seeks injunction against pay raises, angry it’s not seniority based
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:22 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:22 am to TrueTiger
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Should be a merit based system. I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
In a way, I kinda understand where they’re coming from. If you have a classroom full of feral animals who’s parents don’t give a shite about their education, there’s essentially no possible way you can meet the metrics for a pay raise.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:25 am to upgrayedd
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If you have a classroom full of feral animals who’s parents don’t give a shite about their education, there’s essentially no possible way you can meet the metrics for a pay raise.
I see your point.
It's just not possible to turn chicken shite into chicken salad, no matter how good the teacher is.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:26 am to Jbird
Well, there are 3.2 million teachers, so I suppose had they equally distributed that $50 mil around to teachers, they could have each received $15.62 each.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:26 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Pay more? The idea that all teachers across the board should make the same salary is the problem.
how are you going to staff shitty schools?
But ultimately the cure to “bad schools” is school choice, so poor performing schools aren’t guaranteed a paycheck just for having students “show up”.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:28 am to upgrayedd
quote:How does underpaying outstanding teachers help with this?
In a way, I kinda understand where they’re coming from. If you have a classroom full of feral animals who’s parents don’t give a shite about their education,
quote:If they have insurmountable issues, why are we wasting money on them?
there’s essentially no possible way you can meet the metrics for a pay raise.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:30 am to TrueTiger
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I see your point. It's just not possible to turn chicken shite into chicken salad, no matter how good the teacher is.
You’d think the compromise would be a merit based system, but allow for seniority to pick classroom selection.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:33 am to TrueTiger
quote:
Should be a merit based system.
I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
In a sane world, it would. The logic being, that if you’ve hung around long enough, you must be pretty good at what you do.
Unfortunately, that’s seldom the case anymore.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:49 am to SallysHuman
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I'd be nervous if half my class was IEP, 40% was ESL and I was judged on how I can get good test results out of that. Especially considering such wonderful programs aa least restrictive environment and restorative justice.
This. It's a much more complex situation than most "conservatives" are willing to admit.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Saying this as someone who is a college professor and researcher, tenure for academics is one of the worst ideas in human history.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As a resident of this city I can tell you this John Arnold dumbass is wrong wrong wrong.
NES teachers, second year teaching can net over 100k.
That’s someone who is fresh out college by one year. One.
Principals aren’t even worried about their own hides anymore. HISD is all about having warm bodies, not budgets, not performance, nothing.
Regional superintendents also don’t give a damn.
Source: 4 HISD teachers in my fam. With that said, the working conditions suck so of course they’re going to have trouble not only keeping teachers but also keeping good teachers. Most are like realtors - default profession for good pay and not much performance.
NES teachers, second year teaching can net over 100k.
That’s someone who is fresh out college by one year. One.
Principals aren’t even worried about their own hides anymore. HISD is all about having warm bodies, not budgets, not performance, nothing.
Regional superintendents also don’t give a damn.
Source: 4 HISD teachers in my fam. With that said, the working conditions suck so of course they’re going to have trouble not only keeping teachers but also keeping good teachers. Most are like realtors - default profession for good pay and not much performance.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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How does underpaying outstanding teachers help with this?
You're not getting it.
"Outstanding teachers" are irrelevant to the formula.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:22 pm to idlewatcher
quote:
Principals aren’t even worried about their own hides anymore. HISD is all about having warm bodies, not budgets, not performance, nothing.
Regional superintendents also don’t give a damn.
Source: 4 HISD teachers in my fam. With that said, the working conditions suck so of course they’re going to have trouble not only keeping teachers but also keeping good teachers. Most are like realtors - default profession for good pay and not much performance.
Because this is the formula.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:25 pm to Taxing Authority
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If they have insurmountable issues, why are we wasting money on them?
Because we are committed to mass compulsory education.
Everyone is required by law to go and the states are required by law to provide each student the "education."
The mass compulsory aspect of education is the biggest problem with the system. If they could eliminate the students and the parents who do not care about and take no responsibility for their own learning, "outstanding teachers" might be relevant again.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I do like how Texas is doing the Teacher Incentive Allotment. Good evaluations and student growth equals a bonus. Simple. Kids on IEP’s and EB’s have more room for growth…but are harder to “grow”. Beginning of Year test versus End of Year test. If they did, congrats, get a bonus.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:34 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
How does underpaying outstanding teachers help with this?
It doesn’t. There probably needs to be something other than a generic metric, though.
quote:
If they have insurmountable issues, why are we wasting money on them?
I kind of agree with you there. At some point you have to know when to stop wasting resources and isolate some people for the benefit of the group.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:34 pm to idlewatcher
That NES money will go away at some point.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:45 pm to upgrayedd
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I kind of agree with you there. At some point you have to know when to stop wasting resources and isolate some people for the benefit of the group.
Used to, it was handled like this... then came Mainstreaming.
My only knowledge contribution to this comes from three consecutive years as a 2nd grade classroom half day, every day (nearly) volunteer... they simply grouped the lesser abled kids into huddles with one bright child to guide them through their lessons. The less abled kids still struggled and the brighter kids didn't get challenged. Typically the brighter student or myself would "guide" the lesser pupils to whatever the correct answer was.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:16 pm to SallysHuman
As a self contained (small class of just special ed students who you teach all subjects to except Specials - PE, art, music, etc) teacher, for the past 4 years EVERY student in my class has scored a '4' (highest) on their LEAP testing. Some take the regular LEAP and the most severe students take the LEAP Connect for sped students. All students can learn, you just have to know how to teach them.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:19 pm to SallysHuman
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Used to, it was handled like this... then came Mainstreaming.
Mainstreaming screwed up classrooms forever. Its made the teachers job that much more difficult managing so many levels of cognitive ability in one class.
So we focus on the marginal kids and those in the middle suffer.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:20 pm to SisOfSam
quote:
As a self contained (small class of just special ed students who you teach all subjects to except Specials - PE, art, music, etc) teacher, for the past 4 years EVERY student in my class has scored a '4' (highest) on their LEAP testing. Some take the regular LEAP and the most severe students take the LEAP Connect for sped students. All students can learn, you just have to know how to teach them.
That sounds like an ideal set up... the school my son and daughter went to focused on mainstreaming and it was not a good balance for the children. I believe ALL kids could better learn if more properly grouped.
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