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re: If Confederate generals were traitors, so was George Washington
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Doesn't mean that wasnt the cause for which they fought, as specifically enumerated by the states themselves.
The presercation of slavery was the primary cause of secession. Lincoln invading the South was why the war was fought. The Confederes tried to treat with the Federal Government.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:00 pm to NfamousPanda
Hey Einstein, do you do realize slavery was law of the land after the revolution? The US govt/Lincoln didn’t free slaves till 1863. Slavery was an AMERICAN sin, not a southern one
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:06 pm to SammyTiger
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When you fight a war against The US and end up a part of the US, you’re a traitor:
The American Indian says hi.
The whole “losers that fought against this country” and “you don’t get participation trophies” that we keep hearing would probably carry more water if those same people would demand the removal of Indian monuments.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:17 pm to NC_Tigah
We all know that they lead an armed war against the United States.
Whether or no that’s treason is debatable.
But the ultimate defense isn’t “a they were never convicted of treason”
I get Where what I said was confusing.
Whether or no that’s treason is debatable.
But the ultimate defense isn’t “a they were never convicted of treason”
I get Where what I said was confusing.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:30 pm to Ole War Skule
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Hey Einstein, do you do realize slavery was law of the land after the revolution? The US govt/Lincoln didn’t free slaves till 1863. Slavery was an AMERICAN sin, not a southern one
Lincoln didn’t free any slaves in 1863. He said slavery was over in the Confederacy even though he had no control over them or their slave masters. He didn’t attempt to free any slaves in the Union.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:30 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Ultimately the defense is they were never charged. There is a reason for that and after Lincoln's assassination, the reason had nothing to do with altruism.
But the ultimate defense isn’t “a they were never convicted of treason”
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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Ultimately the defense is they were never charged. There is a reason for that and after Lincoln's assassination, the reason had nothing to do with altruism.
Davis was the only person indicted, and he was imprisoned for two years. The case never went to trial. They didn’t want to risk it, Many thought he would be found not guilty and then you had those that wanted the nation to heal.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:35 pm to doubleb
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Many thought he would be found not guilty and then you had those that wanted the nation to heal
Because secession was not (and is not) illegal.
And anyone who cites Texas v. White is a brain-dead idiot.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:37 pm to doubleb
quote:Correct!
They didn’t want to risk it,
Jeff Davis wanted a trial, as long as it was fair, even at risk of execution.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:43 pm to NfamousPanda
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One fought to liberate themselves from tyranny, the others fought to have the right to own other humans as property. Small difference there.
Yeah, no. Most didn't fight for the Confederacy over their love of slavery as over 95% didn't own any, it was their love for a Republic and state rights, and the desire to not have a concentrated Federal government.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:44 pm to RollTide1987
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If Confederate generals were traitors, so was George Washington
Washington WAS a traitor, to England. We don't really care about that, do we?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:46 pm to riverparish
Yikes.
This is a hot take.
I mean You don’t not look like a racist piece of shite.
From a Moral Standpoint that’s reprehensible.
From a logical standpoint: where Native American US citizens before we took their land?
This is a hot take.
I mean You don’t not look like a racist piece of shite.
From a Moral Standpoint that’s reprehensible.
From a logical standpoint: where Native American US citizens before we took their land?
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:52 pm to TBoy
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Washington WAS a traitor, to England. We don't really care about that, do we?
Was he a traitor or a man who believed the colonies should be free ? He didn’t want to hurt England, he just wanted his liberty.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:58 pm to NfamousPanda
quote:George Washington literally owned slaves himself bruh
One fought to liberate themselves from tyranny, the others fought to have the right to own other humans as property. Small difference there.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:28 pm to RollTide1987
This is some advanced stupidity right here. Washington revolted against the British Empire because of it's tyranny.
The South left the US because slavery was on it's way out
The South left the US because slavery was on it's way out
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Except none of them were ever tried or declared traitors.
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Are you not a murderer if you don’t get caught?
Ridiculous take.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:02 pm to RollTide1987
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Great Britain's King George III and the British parliament would have agreed.
Well then, let's give ourselves back to Great Britain.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:13 pm to RollTide1987
I have yet to read through this entire thread but I know you will be accused of supporting a return to chattel slavery simply for broaching this topic.
This nation would never — NEVER — have been formed if the sovereign and individual States were told that entering into a larger Union was a perpetual compact until death.
It has taken generations upon generations of government education and brainwashing to create a citizenry so utterly ignorant of our nation’s founding history.
“However strong a Government may be, it cannot easily escape from the consequences of a principle which it has once admitted as the foundation of its Constitution. The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the states; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their nationality nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the states chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.” Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
This nation would never — NEVER — have been formed if the sovereign and individual States were told that entering into a larger Union was a perpetual compact until death.
It has taken generations upon generations of government education and brainwashing to create a citizenry so utterly ignorant of our nation’s founding history.
“However strong a Government may be, it cannot easily escape from the consequences of a principle which it has once admitted as the foundation of its Constitution. The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the states; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their nationality nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the states chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.” Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:46 pm to RollTide1987
They weren't traitors, because there never was any civil war.
The South wanted to secede, not take control, like the commies did with Russia.
The South wanted to secede, not take control, like the commies did with Russia.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:54 pm to SammyTiger
How is what I said racist? I did not say anything derogatory about any race. But I’m sure that’s just your go to word when you lose an argument.
You said “when you fight a war against The US and end up a part of the US, you’re a traitor”. That is literally what many American Indian tribes did. They fought against the US and are now apart of the US. That quote is yours, not mine. So I guess you’re the racist piece of shite since by your own argument Indians are traitors.
But what about just the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek? Those tribes actually sided and fought with the confederacy. Should their statues be torn down?
You said “when you fight a war against The US and end up a part of the US, you’re a traitor”. That is literally what many American Indian tribes did. They fought against the US and are now apart of the US. That quote is yours, not mine. So I guess you’re the racist piece of shite since by your own argument Indians are traitors.
But what about just the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek? Those tribes actually sided and fought with the confederacy. Should their statues be torn down?
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