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re: If Trump never existed 100% on this board would be drooling over DeSantis.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:13 am to the808bass
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:13 am to the808bass
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Until he didn’t. He squandered much of his legacy in 2020
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the808bass
Another Cruz supporter from 2016.
It’s comical.
You never liked him either. Reluctantly pulled the lever.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 9:14 am
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:15 am to Kjnstkmn
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If Trump never existed we would all be doomed to slavery under the elite cabal and WEF globalist new deal one world govt.
Yeah, is he keeping us from that with his tweet storms from his seaside palace?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:19 am to Deuces
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Haha. It’s 2016 all over again!
“We don’t know if he’s a true conservative”.
Just admit it. You pulled that lever because you had to. You never liked him
I don't like any political candidates, because they are all unlikable people. To get to the level of presidential candidate, you basically have to be a sociopath.
It is ridiculous for anyone to COMPLETELY support any candidate.
I voted for Trump twice and would vote for him again, but to pretend he didn't have some colossal failures and huge successes is naive.
He ran as the outsider, and then got sucked into the Washington machine and hired/appointed a bunch of deep state operatives, many who had openly hated him.
He made shitty hire after shitty hire. He did great nominating judges and that will likely be his legacy.
But he was outplayed time after time by his enemies.
His current campaign is basically "let me fix what I failed at the first time"
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:23 am to Geekboy
If we were not made aware from Trump who are the enemy of the people and their associations we would not be rejecting tiny deeeesantis. Uniparty neocons!
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:24 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I voted for Trump twice and would vote for him again, but to pretend he didn't have some colossal failures and huge successes is naive. He ran as the outsider, and then got sucked into the Washington machine and hired/appointed a bunch of deep state operatives, many who had openly hated him. He made shitty hire after shitty hire. He did great nominating judges and that will likely be his legacy. But he was outplayed time after time by his enemies. His current campaign is basically "let me fix what I failed at the first time"
We don’t have anything else to compare his presidency to.
No president has ever faced an attack on himself like Trump did.
The Obama admin approved a Clinton made lie to spy on his campaign and embed deep-state spooks in it to try and set him up.
His whole presidency was a large coup attempt from the establishment.
He was impeached twice for no reason.
No President has ever had to face this kind of storm.
We’ve never had a true outsider in the WH before. How do you know things would’ve been different if there’s nothing to compare it to.
It was one man against the world, literally.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:25 am to jimmy the leg
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By pushing states rights?
No. By putting his stamp of imprimatur on “two weeks to slow the spread” without any metrics established to open back up. That was always going to be a months and months shutdown the way he let them use him.
Then he started the “giveaway money to try to get re-elected” plan. And it didn’t work.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:25 am to Geekboy
quote:There definitely was a time when Republican voters blindly get behind the candidate that the party nominated.
If Trump never existed 100% on this board would be drooling over DeSantis.
So cut the bullshite and quit treating him like he’s Clinton or Obama.
That reality caused the lack of consideration of the voters by the GOP. Donald Trump was born from that reality.
You are in an old paradigm. It's gone. Republicans will lose until the party recognizes and turns back the power to its voters. Looking for ways to fool or manipulate its own voters will be a losing strategy.
If you want the hardcore Trump voters to vote for Desantis, Desantis needs to actually commit to running on a platform that those people support. The 90s strategy of running on social conservative issues (woke, anti-trans, etc.) will not get it done.
He needs to address the economy. He needs to address the corruption. He needs to address voter integrity. Alas, therein lies the problem. Desantis (nor any GOPe candidate) does not align on those issues.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:26 am to Deuces
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No president has ever faced an attack on himself like Trump did.
The next Republican President will see roughly the same level of attacks. This has been ramping up since Nixon.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:27 am to moneyg
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The 90s strategy of running on social conservative issues (woke, anti-trans, etc.) will not get it done.
There it is.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:29 am to the808bass
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The next Republican President will see roughly the same level of attacks. This has been ramping up since Nixon.
Maybe so. The left has grown quite emboldened from what they’ve been able to get away with.
It’s like Rush always said.
“They’re sick and tired of having to be elected. They’re going to try and bypass the system, very soon.”
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:29 am to Geekboy
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If Trump never existed
Are you saying he is the GOAT?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:33 am to BugAC
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That makes no sense. If Trump didn't exist, why would i have supported Jeb and not Cruz? You seem confused.
The short (and obvious) answer is that Trump ran on an anti-establishment platform. Cruz didn't. That's what separated Trump from the others. I can't believe so many don't realize that Trump effectively ran AGAINST the GOP while trying to get the nomination.
Jeb was obviously the candidate backed by the party...at least at first.
I say all of this as a guy who voted for Cruz in the primary in 2016.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:34 am to moneyg
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If you want the hardcore Trump voters to vote for Desantis, Desantis needs to actually commit to running on a platform that those people support. The 90s strategy of running on social conservative issues (woke, anti-trans, etc.) will not get it done.
He needs to address the economy. He needs to address the corruption. He needs to address voter integrity. Alas, therein lies the problem. Desantis (nor any GOPe candidate) does not align on those issues.
I believe the "let kids be kids" message of the DeSantis campaign will resonate. Similar messages brought Youngkin victory and helped DeSantis win by 20 in 2022. That is known.
Trump spent like Biden. He is one of the causes of inflation. From now on "inflation" is the main issue in the economy. Trump isn't good on this issue. Even now he barely mentions it. He stays away from it.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:35 am to the808bass
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There it is.
Apparently Republicans have just been kicking arse since we abandoned social conservatism, right?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:38 am to moneyg
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He needs to address the economy. He needs to address the corruption. He needs to address voter integrity. Alas, therein lies the problem. Desantis (nor any GOPe candidate) does not align on those issues.
He has a clear record of all this in Florida. You just don’t care.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:38 am to Deuces
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We’ve never had a true outsider in the WH before. How do you know things would’ve been different if there’s nothing to compare it to.
I'm just a regular guy, and even I knew (as many did, it was widely discussed) that Trump was a fool for hiring so many DC insiders. To chalk that up as anything other than incompetence is moronic.
He literally hired people who openly hated him. And then when they openly defied his orders, he left them in their jobs (or replaced them with someone as bad or worse.)
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It was one man against the world, literally.
When it's you against the world (not literally), it's most important to surround yourself with people who are loyal, or will AT LEAST obey your orders. He did the opposite. He brought the enemy into his camp.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:41 am to Geekboy
Trump was a big fan of DeSantis while he was president
He even said he would like to have him as VP
Now he’s going to say he’s a rino, progressive or whatever term they can use to make him look like he’s not conservative.
Remember when trump was hinting at running before he was president, the establishment said the same stuff about HIM! NY liberal.
Used to be a democrat. Gave money to bill and Hillary. Pro choice…
The game is the same. Just different players.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:41 am to Bunk Moreland
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Exactly. He was sort of the one shot to bridge whatever America First/MAGA is and GOPe. There is really no path forward for the populist aspect in the future. Lake is a clown. MTG does some good work, but is cartoonish and polarizing. Gaetz is a step above that.
There is no path forward
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:44 am to jlnoles79
The path forward is the guy who builds on Trump's work and takes what we believe to the American people with clear - often devastating - explanations and takedowns of why conservatism is good for their families, career, communities and wallet.
What every conservative has always wanted has arrived. Unfortunately, there is a very good chance they'll go for the snake oil again.
What every conservative has always wanted has arrived. Unfortunately, there is a very good chance they'll go for the snake oil again.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:45 am to frogtown
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I believe the "let kids be kids" message of the DeSantis campaign will resonate. Similar messages brought Youngkin victory and helped DeSantis win by 20 in 2022. That is known.
You believe wrong.
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Trump spent like Biden
On COVID stimulus. Terrible, terrible decision. But, it was at a time when the economy was going to crash one way or another due to COVID.
But, he's not spending like Biden on bullshite socialist programs and climate bullshite. FFS, be honest.
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