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Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:09 am to VOR
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the fallacy
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ICE’s excessive tactics
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:31 am to FooManChoo
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That’s not how God does it.He is free to pardon sin as He pleases. Humans are not God. When a person is convicted of rape in human courts, capital punishment should be on the table.
So you reject your “objective moral standard”.
What a maroon!
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The baby was not murdered. God is legally free to do with His creation as He sees fit, including ending our lives. He cannot murder because there is no way for Him to illegally take a life.
But God said he will punish the innocent for the sins of their father. But then in another book he says the sins shouldn’t pay for the sins of the father. But right there with David’s son, he punished the son by making him ill and then killing him a week later. There’s your “objective moral standard”, idiot.
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The child died
Because God killed him to pay for the sins of his father…
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and went to Heaven
Except it doesn’t say that. You made that up.
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You don’t learn, do you? The “seed” is a euphemism for progeny. Jesus wasn’t made from David’s sperm, but was born of a woman from the genetic lineage of David
Except the gospels of Matthew and Luke have their lineages from David to Joseph, not to Mary. Quit making shite up dude - you suck at it.
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Paul uses the same language for the descendants of Abraham. It’s a simple concept.
Alright, if it’s a concept of direct lineage, when Paul says all the gentiles will be sons of Abraham, and also sons of God, are gentile Christian’s direct genetic sons of Abraham and God? We know the answer.
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David did kill Goliath
And so did El Hanan in 2 Samuel. Scholars believe this was the earlier story. They both killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. The author is attempting to describe a Greek throwing spear… the kind that would have a string wrapped around the shaft attached to the throwers hand so that we he threw the spear, it would spiral like a football giving greater distance and accuracy on target. It’s the kind Achilles used in Homer’s epic.
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Hanna killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath (1 Chronicles 20:5)
The Levite chronicler attempted to correct a contradiction. He took “bethlehemite” and turned into “brother” and “Lahmi”. But did you notice anything else? The chronicler was copying and redacting the story in 2 Samuel. The writer of 2 Samuel calls El Hanan the son of Jair-oregim, while the chronicler just calls him El Hanan son of Jair. Why’d he leave out “oregim”? It’s because that word means “weaver” you dolt. He literally wrote that El Hanan son of Jair-weaver killed Goliath, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. Obviously this was simply a scribal error, but with all the scribal errors, we don’t even know which versions were more original than others.
I want to reiterate:
And you are a
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:54 am to VOR
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Nobody wants to protect rapists and you know it.
Your vote speaks for itself. Every vote for a dem is a vote for an illegal rapist.
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You’re employing the fallacy that ICE’s excessive tactics are the only way to get the bad guys…
Its not a fallacy for places that cooperate.
As for uncooperative places, How else are they supposed to get people who are being protected and hidden by crazy liberals like yourself?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:17 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:The moral standard is that rape is immoral. God judged David for his sin of rape and murder. You are confusing the punishment with the crime. Just because David wasn’t put to death for his sin doesn’t mean what he did wasn’t sin according to God’s objective standard.
So you reject your “objective moral standard”.
What a maroon!
quote:All people conceived after the fall of Adam inherit his guilt and deserve death. David’s son was no different.
But God said he will punish the innocent for the sins of their father. But then in another book he says the sins shouldn’t pay for the sins of the father. But right there with David’s son, he punished the son by making him ill and then killing him a week later. There’s your “objective moral standard”, idiot.
The decree that the child shall not die because of the sin of the parent is referring to judicial guilt in human courts. God did not hold David’s child morally responsible for David’s sins, but his death was a consequence of sin, just like wars, famine, and other calamities could fall on some as a consequence for the sins of another.
There is no logical contradiction here, as with all the examples you provide. Maybe one day you will see that.
quote:Again, consequence is not the same as personal payment for guilt. The child was guilty of Adam’s sin, which is a spiritual guilt. He was not guilty of David’s sin and judged so in a human court. The punishment is based on God’s divine prerogative to take the lives of guilty creatures as He sees fit.
Because God killed him to pay for the sins of his father…
quote:I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that my statements on theology are not novel and my own, but are derived from the Bible, itself, and shared by theologians throughout history. Your ignorance of these things doesn’t mean I’m making it up.
Except it doesn’t say that. You made that up.
David believed in going to be with God after death, and he specifically said that his son will not return to him, but that he would go to be with his son (in Heaven).
quote:Again, I’m not making anything up. Your ignorance of Christian theology does not mean I’m making it up.
Except the gospels of Matthew and Luke have their lineages from David to Joseph, not to Mary. Quit making shite up dude - you suck at it.
Historically, Christians have understood Luke’s genealogy as being Mary’s, but being represented through Joseph as her legal representative. That aside, Joseph was Jesus’ legally adopted father, so according to the tradition of the Jews, Jesus received the legal status of Joseph’s royal lineage. The “seed” language speaks to lineage, not physical sperm, as your weird belief states.
quote:No, because Paul moves from physical lineage to spiritual. It’s why he says not that not all Israel is Israel, and that true sons of Abraham are so by faith. He moves from physical lineage to spiritual headship. All you have to do is read the text. I know that’s difficult for you when you rely on other websites to take verses out of context so you don’t have to read it, yourself.
Alright, if it’s a concept of direct lineage, when Paul says all the gentiles will be sons of Abraham, and also sons of God, are gentile Christian’s direct genetic sons of Abraham and God? We know the answer.
quote:More speculation stated as fact. I don’t know why you keep pretending to be neutral when you always take the ahistorical and least generous position. It’s almost as if you want the Bible to be contradictory rather than accept plausible explanations as to why a contradiction doesn’t exist.
And so did El Hanan in 2 Samuel. Scholars believe this was the earlier story. They both killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. The author is attempting to describe a Greek throwing spear… the kind that would have a string wrapped around the shaft attached to the throwers hand so that we he threw the spear, it would spiral like a football giving greater distance and accuracy on target. It’s the kind Achilles used in Homer’s epic.
quote:Another conspiracy theory. And you call everyone who doesn’t agree with your minority position a stupid loser. Just accept that your position is always antagonistic to the Bible—not neutral—and that your mission here is to discredit the Bible, and Christianity along with it. At least you will finally be honest for once.
The Levite chronicler attempted to correct a contradiction. He took “bethlehemite” and turned into “brother” and “Lahmi”. But did you notice anything else? The chronicler was copying and redacting the story in 2 Samuel. The writer of 2 Samuel calls El Hanan the son of Jair-oregim, while the chronicler just calls him El Hanan son of Jair. Why’d he leave out “oregim”? It’s because that word means “weaver” you dolt. He literally wrote that El Hanan son of Jair-weaver killed Goliath, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. Obviously this was simply a scribal error, but with all the scribal errors, we don’t even know which versions were more original than others.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 4:37 am to Night Vision
Lock him and her father in a room for 30 minutes. Let nature take it's course.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:24 am to FooManChoo
I know that you are a Godly man and won’t see this as a compliment but you are annihilating that demon squirrelbastard again.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:26 am to djsdawg
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Dems think this is acceptable collateral damage
Bad thing is, this isn’t hyperbole
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:28 am to Night Vision
VOR and his band of leftists will probably say that the 16 year old should have no issue with unplanned sex.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 6:28 am
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:30 am to VOR
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Nobody wants to protect rapists
You lie.
You leftists absolutely do that (repeatedly, with every “protest” against their removal by ICE).
Then again, you are a goose-stepper. Y’all have no issue lying, as y’all hate America and want it to be destroyed.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 6:33 am
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:17 pm to FooManChoo
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The moral standard is that rape is immoral. God judged David for his sin of rape and murder. You are confusing the punishment with the crime. Just because David wasn’t put to death for his sin doesn’t mean what he did wasn’t sin according to God’s objective standard.
Yet “God” killed David’s son due to David’s sin, which “God” promised he would not do in Ezekiel 18:20, Deuteronomy 24:16, and Jeremiah 31:29-30.
And for someone to NOT punish someone for breaking the law, that would in fact be breaking the law, the covenant with Yahweh. So morality and judgment and punishment are intertwined.
When David raped Bathsheba, the crime wasn’t against Bathsheba. It was against Uriah the Hittite for violating his personal property. Men could have sex with any woman he chose, as long as the woman wasn’t married to another Israelite. Any woman the man violated was fine as long as he paid the father the bride price. Read the Bible, Foo.
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The decree that the child shall not die because of the sin of the parent is referring to judicial guilt in human courts.
You should read the Bible. In the verses I referenced, it is Yahweh doing the judging, not human courts. You made that up, as usual.
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God did not hold David’s child morally responsible for David’s sins
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13David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said to David, “The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die. 14Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the LORD, the child who is born to you shall die.” 15Then Nathan went to his house.
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He was not guilty of David’s sin and judged so in a human court
It’s like you are getting even more retarded.
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David believed in going to be with God after death, and he specifically said that his son will not return to him, but that he would go to be with his son (in Heaven).
Finally, you put in parentheses the part not in evidence that you made up. Keep doing that. Honesty weight earn you some respect.
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Historically, Christians have understood Luke’s genealogy as being Mary’s
Early apologists had to attempt to rationalize the contradiction. There are more in those genealogies. Joseph is both the son of Heli and of Jacob. Joseph is of the lineage of Solomon in one and Nathan in the other (two different sons of David). There are many more actually just in the genealogies.
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The “seed” language speaks to lineage, not physical sperm, as your weird belief states.
Weird as compared to common thought, maybe. But it’s based on evidence. The Ascension (Vision) of Isaiah may have been part of or maybe even “the” scriptures referenced by him in 1 Corinthians as to the “fact” that Jesus had died and was resurrected, and that early Christian scripture matches Paul’s “gospel” message to the highest degree. And in that scripture, Elyon literally manufactured a fleshly body created from the sperm of David to give to Yahweh to go down to the lowest heaven to be crucified by the leader of the archons of this aeon. None of the archons would’ve done that had they known who he was. It was a secret plan. (Vision of Isaiah plus 1 Corinthians 2)
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I don’t know why you keep pretending to be neutral when you always take the ahistorical and least generous position
Only one of us takes the historical position, and it ain’t you!
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It’s almost as if you want the Bible to be contradictory rather than accept plausible explanations as to why a contradiction doesn’t exist.
I neither want nor don’t want it to be contradictory. I do want to understand the truth of our reality, unlike you. It’s not good enough for me to make up unlikely and nearly impossible things which are not in evidence to explain contradictions. That’s not satisfying to me. I’d rather know and understand what is most likely or proven beyond a doubt.
You’d be in good company with Jaire-Weaver.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:38 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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that demon squirrelbastard
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Dirk Dawgler
Posted on 2/5/26 at 9:11 pm to SallysHuman
Seriously.... you asked the board idiot to explain something....
the poster continues to show zero intellectual capacity in every post.
the poster continues to show zero intellectual capacity in every post.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 9:18 pm to dafif
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Seriously.... you asked the board idiot to explain something....
Sometimes I get bored.
He sure as heck didn't answer though.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 9:29 pm to LSUbest
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Randy is right.
Public execution.
It should happen today.
They come from countries with very dire consequences for crime and know they can commit them here and get three hots and a cot daily. Oh wait, warm showers whenever needed as well.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 9:40 pm to LSUbest
Televised public hangings!!!
Posted on 2/5/26 at 10:37 pm to Night Vision
Probably not a peep from Heels Up either.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:13 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:You don't believe that any more than you believe in the salvation of Christ.
That’s not how God does it. What he does is he takes the child born out of the rape and makes the child suffer for days and then murders the baby
Your terminology, "murder," belies that fact. Believers would understand your story to reflect the same ultimate calling to eternal life of David's son as God's own, and in a similar manner.
As an agnostic, you have no faith. That's your business.
You don't share belief in an eternal sole, heaven, or God. That's your business.
Why does it upset you so much that others don't share your lack of faith?
Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:19 am to Night Vision
This is happening all across Europe, and it’s cultural. Islam and Christianity have no common grounds
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:01 am to DeltaDoc
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At some point, a father whose daughter has been raped and or killed by one of these illegals is going to take out his righteous anger on the pinko communist “protestors” that are working to protect these monsters.
yup
dems are scum
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