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re: Iowa man sentenced to 16 YEARS for burning a flag. A FLAG
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:56 pm to Placebeaux
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:56 pm to Placebeaux
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Story County Attorney Jessica Reynolds said Martinez was given the additional hate crime charge due to belief that Martinez burned the flag because of "what it represents as far as sexual orientation."
Direct violation of the First Amendment. Hate crimes are by definition punishment for thoughts. The actus reus and mens rea are already elements of the underlying crime. So literally the only thing this "hate crime" punishes is belief/thought.
The physical expression of that belief is punishable here, was punished here and should've been punished here, as it wasn't his property and violated safety laws.
But it is wholly irrelevant (except perhaps to show the intent element of the underlying crime) that it was a gay flag.
This is truly scary as shite.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 4:51 pm
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:56 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
So its only a hate crime if the property is stolen?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:56 pm to Placebeaux
He must of had some really bad lawyers, who were working for the prosecutors.
Only thing he's guilty of is destruction of property and theft.
Only thing he's guilty of is destruction of property and theft.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:57 pm to Placebeaux
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Ladies and gentlemen we need a revolution.
It’s already begun.....there’s still a lot of Americans who are oblivious to the gravity of the Deep State Dim/Globalism corruption. They don’t understand how close America is to spiraling out of control and into civil unrest.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:59 pm to Placebeaux
Clearly, racism.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:59 pm to 187undercover
Was mentioned often in the OJ trial.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:01 pm to Placebeaux
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So its only a hate crime if the property is stolen?
Stop being ridiculous. Someone (you?) asked 'can I not burn a flag?' and we simply said you can burn YOUR flag. You cannot burn MINE.
frick "hate crimes"
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:01 pm to Placebeaux
There are LGBTQwhatever and POC in the United States. So, if you burn an American Flag, is that now a crime?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:02 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
He's getting 16 years for a hate crime, not destruction of stolen property. Lets be real now.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:03 pm to Placebeaux
Let's hope this makes its way to the Supreme Court.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:03 pm to Placebeaux
I mean he fricked with someone else’s property so I’m fine with him being punished. But we don’t need hate crime laws for that.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:04 pm to Placebeaux
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burned a church LGBTQ flag
quote:another job Americans won’t do
Adolfo Martinez
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:04 pm to Placebeaux
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He's getting 16 years for a thoughtcrime...
It's 1984 and we live in Oceania.
FIFY
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:05 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I mean he fricked with someone else’s property so I’m fine with him being punished.
Every Antifa and other form of degenerate needs 16 years for every Trump hat crime and Trump sign that has been destroyed since 2015.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:06 pm to wareaglepete
He burned someone else’s property. That is illegal. If someone set your American flag hanging outside your home on fire, they could be prosecuted.
This is about destruction of personal property with hate crime allegations attached.
This is about destruction of personal property with hate crime allegations attached.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:07 pm to Placebeaux
Is he an illegal?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:10 pm to Placebeaux
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Iowa man sentenced to 16 YEARS for burning a flag. A FLAG
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You left out this part.
"He was found guilty last month of hate crime harassment, reckless use of fire and being a habitual offender."
LINK
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:12 pm to Redleg Guy
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He burned someone else’s property.
Burning a flag isn't felony arson. He was punished because the flag he burned was a queer flag. I guarantee you nothing would have happened to this guy had the flag been an American or, God forbid, the e-vil Confederate battle flag.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:50 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
This was a horrible sentence and hate crimes shouldn’t be legal to begin with, but he likely pissed off the jury with his comments to the media after he was out on bail.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:55 pm to Oddibe
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I'm pretty sure convicted murderers have received less time.
National average for the amount of time served for murder is about 10-11 years.
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