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re: Is a Four-Year Degree Worth It?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:10 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:10 am to wackatimesthree
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They tell me that employers absolutely DO NOT want to have to train employees anymore. They'll hold jobs open for a year and pass up a dozen could-be great candidates until they find one that checks every single box they want checked
This kind of correlates with my push for apprenticeships. Industry has really hurt themselves by segregating and stratifying what they consider entry-level and what they consider proper. There is this cottage industry of lower level employers who are the only suitable path for entry-level employees.
I just don't see how it's -EV develop these people while they are being productive and learning about your company infrastructure, culture software, hierarchy etc. they're going to be doing lower level stuff that isn't in there. Ultimate job description and basically wearing two hats.
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:22 am to wackatimesthree
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and the "mobility" of employees these days is probably also driving some of it.
It has to be. A lot of young adults start jobs knowing they'll probably jump in 2-3 years, so why spend 1-2 years training them?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:24 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
quote:So? That's a used truck. People cry about student debt when the average is only $40,000. Have a bit of financial discipline and you'll pay it off.
That's more than $50K for the same degree
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
Is it worth it to learn the history of Western Civilization?
Is it worth it to learn the distinction between existentialism vs Platonic ideals?
Is it worth it to read Shakespeare - and understand it?
Is it worth it to learn a foreign language?
Is it worth it to learn how to think critically?
Is it worth it to learn about other cultures?
Is it worth it to earn about the history of art?
Is it worth it to learn about the development of music?
Is it worth it to learn how governments work?
Is it worth it to learn the basics of how the mind works?
Is it worth it to learn how and when to apply the scientific method?
Is it worth it to learn where in the world...?
Is it worth it to learn how mountains are formed?
Is it worth it to learn how stars die?
Is it worth it to learn derivative functions?
Is it worth it to learn how to interact with peers and exchange ideas in a civil manner?
Is it ever worth it to learn something that may never generate any kind of revenue for you?
People need to stop pursuing university educations if all they want to learn is a trade.
Is it worth it to learn the distinction between existentialism vs Platonic ideals?
Is it worth it to read Shakespeare - and understand it?
Is it worth it to learn a foreign language?
Is it worth it to learn how to think critically?
Is it worth it to learn about other cultures?
Is it worth it to earn about the history of art?
Is it worth it to learn about the development of music?
Is it worth it to learn how governments work?
Is it worth it to learn the basics of how the mind works?
Is it worth it to learn how and when to apply the scientific method?
Is it worth it to learn where in the world...?
Is it worth it to learn how mountains are formed?
Is it worth it to learn how stars die?
Is it worth it to learn derivative functions?
Is it worth it to learn how to interact with peers and exchange ideas in a civil manner?
Is it ever worth it to learn something that may never generate any kind of revenue for you?
People need to stop pursuing university educations if all they want to learn is a trade.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:27 am to Flats
quote:Medicine requires undergrad level prep. I also think some general background in history, civics, lit, etc are probably a good idea. You could do an abridged path straight from HS, but it would be a six-year route and, at least WRT medicine, a pretty compressed curriculum for most folks.
Go straight to law school, get law certificate. There's no reason medicine couldn't function the same way.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:28 am to Flats
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You think that's not a choke point in engineering school? You know what happened to the kids who made it to that point but couldn't get to that "higher level of analysis"? They flunked out.
Or found another (easier?) degree path and ended up in law school.
Waving out my window.
For the record, I agree that a lawyer who has done nothing academically but “studied law” would probably be a pretty shitty lawyer.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:32 am to NC_Tigah
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Medicine requires undergrad level prep.
I know it does now, but he's talking about ought, not is.
His concept is to strip a field of study down to just the necessities. Are you telling me that can't be done in medicine?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:35 am to the808bass
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It feels like every year that the nurse practitioners in Missouri are advocating for expanded scope because of needs in rural areas and then all the new nurse practitioners go do Botox in Chesterfield.
Yup. And if there is anything that happens unexpectedly...guess who manages the complication? Not them...
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:35 am to NC_Tigah
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Is a Four-Year Degree Worth It?
Only if it is tied in with skilled trade. Ex: Civil Engineering....building shite requires skilled laborers like welders, plumbers, electricians....etc...
Exceptions would be Medical Doctor, Surgeons, lawyers perhaps.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:35 am to Y.A. Tittle
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For the record, I agree that a lawyer who has done nothing academically but “studied law” would probably be a pretty shitty lawyer.
Not necessarily, you have plenty of research lawyers who never see any opposition but a piece of paper. I agree with you that the degree of interaction you have with other people as part of your job is how much you'd miss the other parts of an education. I don't think those parts MUST come from a 4 year university but they certainly can.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:36 am to Jake88
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So? That's a used truck. People cry about student debt when the average is only $40,000. Have a bit of financial discipline and you'll pay it off.
If you obtained a degree with a good ROI, you shouldn't complain about paying it off. You should be happy to do so, and do so rapidly.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:38 am to Harry Boutte
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Is it worth it to learn how to interact with peers and exchange ideas in a civil manner?
I'm with you for the most part, but I'm not sure most 4 year universities are the place to get this experience these days.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:38 am to NC_Tigah
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You could do an abridged path straight from HS, but it would be a six-year route and, at least WRT medicine, a pretty compressed curriculum for most folks.
Correct, a few of these exist throughout the country. One of my partners did this at Penn State. I know UMKC has one as well. I'm sure there's alot more.
I would never consider it. Undergrad was the last time I had fun in life--I would't want to shorten that
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:39 am to NC_Tigah
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Medicine requires undergrad level prep. I also think some general background in history, civics, lit, etc are probably a good idea. You could do an abridged path straight from HS, but it would be a six-year route and, at least WRT medicine, a pretty compressed curriculum for most folks.
I’m a little surprised that schools like UMKC haven’t become more popular - 6-year bachelors/MD program.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:40 am to Flats
quote:I'm talking about preparatory need, not status quo. A HS kid stepping directly into MedSchool Biochem, Physiology, Micro, etc. would not generally work well.
I know it does now, but he's talking about ought, not is.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:40 am to onmymedicalgrind
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I'm sure there's alot more.
There aren’t a lot more.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:42 am to NC_Tigah
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A HS kid stepping directly into MedSchool Biochem, Physiology, Micro, etc. would not generally work well.
A HS kid that’s going to be a doctor stepping directly into Biochem, Microbiology, etc, should be fine.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:43 am to NC_Tigah
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A HS kid stepping directly into MedSchool Biochem, Physiology, Micro, etc. would not generally work well.
Then the prerequisite courses would be part of the curriculum or you could just let people flunk out. That used to be a vital part of our education process.
There's either "fluff" in the education process for a profession or trade or there isn't. I've yet to hear why law or medicine are special in this regard.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:45 am to Flats
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or you could just let people flunk out.
Yeap
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:47 am to the808bass
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There aren’t a lot more.
Interesting. So I looked this up and you are right and wrong.
A lot of thee combined programs exist, but only 1 of them is 6 years--UMKC. And another two are 6-7 years--Penn State/Thomas Jefferson and UMiami. Majority are 7-8 years, which besides the convenience of not having to apply for medical school separately, don't really save much time.
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