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re: Israel to award Charlie Kirk for fighting antisemitism
Posted on 1/22/26 at 6:38 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 1/22/26 at 6:38 am to Squirrelmeister
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Moses recorded his own death - before his death - according to Josephus. He wrote that Moses definitely died on Mount Nebo, in accordance to Deuteronomy 34, despite the other circulating traditions of the translation by God. Translation? That’s how the KJV records what happened to Enoch, both in Genesis and Hebrews. There were lots of Jews in the time of Philo, Paul, and Josephus that believed Moses was translated by God either in the same way as Enoch and Elijah, or slightly differently in that maybe Moses did die but was resurrected and then translated.
Side note: Mount Nebo was theophoric name of the Semitic deity “Nebo” from which “Nebuchadnezzar” got its namesake.
“Jude” even referenced the Jewish myth called the “Assumption of Moses” when he wrote about Michael and Satan fighting over the body of Moses. The copy of the “Assumption of Moses” we have today is missing the last part where presumably Moses was assumed/translated.
Lots of Jewish and Christian sects believed Moses was translated alive like Enoch and Elijah, or that he died and was resurrected and then translated. Philo of Alexandria, Clement of Rome, Origen, the Samaritans, and more wrote of Moses’ unique demise and translation.
“Luke” even wrote of Moses and Elijah being at the transfiguration. It reads as if Moses and Elijah were really present. Did Luke believe Moses never died, or was perhaps translated after death and had the same status, power, and authority as Elijah?
To this day, Mormon doctrine is that Moses never died, and was “taken up” like Elijah and Enoch. Seventh Day Adventists hold that Moses died, but then was resurrected and translated.
The reason I posted this is I want to get your (plural) takes on Moses’ death. Did he die at all? Was he resurrected? Elijah resurrected a boy, Jesus resurrected a girl (Jairus’ daughter), and Jesus resurrected Lazarus… all before Jesus. Why not Moses too? If he was translated, where did he (and Enoch and Elijah) go (see John 3:13)?
I don't know the scripture anywhere close to well enough to attempt to answer your questions. The post "Moses recorded it" came from @RobbRobb. You might want to reply directly to him.
For context, I was "debating" with @conservativewifeymom regarding her assertion that the Muslim god is not the same got that is worshipped by Jews and Christians, i.e., the god of Abraham.
Her rationale is that "the Muslim god does not have a son." But she does not apply the same logic to the Jewish god.
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 7:38 am to conservativewifeymom
Since this has turned into a theology debate, I will comment on the OP. They have waited 4 months. Public sentiment towards Israel has soured, especially among the demographic that Charlie Kirk reached the most. Charlie Kirk became more open to other views regarding criticism of Israel and from all accounts Jewish donors wanted to address this.
This seems like some kind of damage control. By the way, he has a spent a lot of breath saying he had nothing to do with his death. If this a preposterous fringe accusation, why not let it rest? As a side note, if despising Bibi and the Likud is now the definition of antisemitism, then I suppose I am an antisemite.
This seems like some kind of damage control. By the way, he has a spent a lot of breath saying he had nothing to do with his death. If this a preposterous fringe accusation, why not let it rest? As a side note, if despising Bibi and the Likud is now the definition of antisemitism, then I suppose I am an antisemite.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 11:23 am to conservativewifeymom
There is no logic, no argument that can justify transgenderism. It is the very definition of evil. What can be normal about people who subject themselves to gender transition surgery? The results of this decision will haunt them the rest of their lives - since the results of gender transition surgery cannot be undone. Plus it burdens society with expensive gender affirming care.
Charlie Kirk spoke against the evil of antisemitism and his opposition to transgenderism was clear. The response from the pro-transgender crowd was appalling. They assassinated him.
Remember this America, if we let this democrats back in power, they will seek to normalize transgenderism. I was appalled to learn the number of transgenders Pete Hegseth kicked out of our armed forces.
Trump / Kirk 2026 - They took bullets meant for us
Charlie Kirk spoke against the evil of antisemitism and his opposition to transgenderism was clear. The response from the pro-transgender crowd was appalling. They assassinated him.
Remember this America, if we let this democrats back in power, they will seek to normalize transgenderism. I was appalled to learn the number of transgenders Pete Hegseth kicked out of our armed forces.
Trump / Kirk 2026 - They took bullets meant for us
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 8:55 am
Posted on 1/22/26 at 11:45 am to conservativewifeymom
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This ["Judeo-Christian"] clearly refers to the fact that Christianity is strongly rooted in Judaism.
Which "Judaism"?
The vine of Judaism that acknowledges Jesus Christ and the New Covenant?
Talmudic Judaism?
Kabbalah Judaic Mysticism?
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that's not an opinion, it's a fact that all of the theologians I know of accept.
It IS "opinion". Same of the modern "Christian scholars" -- most of whom are heretic.
The "Judeo-Christian" term is has always been political and psychological gaslighting of the reality.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 9:51 pm to TulsaSooner78
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I don't know the scripture anywhere close to well enough to attempt to answer your questions. The post "Moses recorded it" came from @RobbRobb. You might want to reply directly to him.
It was addressed to anyone who would chime in and share their opinion.
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For context, I was "debating" with @conservativewifeymom regarding her assertion that the Muslim god is not the same got that is worshipped by Jews and Christians, i.e., the god of Abraham. Her rationale is that "the Muslim god does not have a son." But she does not apply the same logic to the Jewish god.
Her mistake is that different people groups having different beliefs about the characteristics of a god doesn’t mean the groups believe they are worshipping different deities. Jehovah’s witnesses don’t believe that Jesus is a component of “the one true god”, but it doesn’t mean they are worshipping a different deity than the Catholic God or modern Jewish God. It’s all mythical fairy tales anyway. But Muslims believe they are worshipping the “correct” version of the Christian God which is also the (modern) Jewish God.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 9:57 pm to conservativewifeymom
The Fuentes incels don’t like this thread apparently.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:06 am to TulsaSooner78
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Islam and Judaism are more closely aligned in their beliefs and practices. For example, neither accept Christ as a messiah.
Islam venerates Jesus and his parents. Judaism sees Christianity as an apostasy.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 4:53 am to SallysHuman
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our common Judeo-Christian civilization,”
Why does it piss you off? It's accurate.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:23 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Why does it piss you off? It's accurate
Not even close moron.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:32 am to Errerrerrwere
Jesus was Jewish.
Seems pretty interconnected to me.
Seems pretty interconnected to me.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 5:35 am
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:07 am to Squirrelmeister
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It’s all mythical fairy tales anyway.
Exactly
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:09 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Jesus was Jewish.
And God burned the temple for baby sacrifice, sex with children and idolatry to Moloch.
Now what do we do?
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Seems pretty interconnected to me.
Not if you've actually read the bible.
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Leviticus 18:21: "Do not allow any of your offspring to be offered up to Molech" (forbids the practice).
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Leviticus 20:2-5: Explicitly commands death for anyone, including citizens, who gives their children to Molech.
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2 Kings 23:10: Mentions the destruction of Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom, where people burned their sons and daughters to Moloch.
Moron
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:20 am to Errerrerrwere
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Moron
So super duper Christian of you.
Dude, don't even bother if you're going to deny the historical context of Christianity and Judaism.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:44 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Dude, don't even bother if you're going to deny the historical context of Christianity and Judaism.
There is no denying the historical relationship between Judaism and Christianity.
What true Christians deny is that we share the same values today.
Thanks for playing you ignorant moron.
And it is INDEED Christian to cast out the demons and heretics which you are!
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:51 am to Errerrerrwere
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There is no denying the historical relationship between Judaism and Christianity.
Thus my primary point.
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What true Christians deny is that we share the same values today.
OK.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:53 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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OK
I don't know any Christian that share killing innocent women and children. Nor do any Christians I know share the destruction of a race of people and are responsible since the 1970's for killing millions upon millions of them.
Let's try to get past that point before we move any further. Agreed?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:55 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Thus my primary point.
Your point and running around the board posting fake videos is very Boomerish of you.
Your ilk will be gone soon enough. Good riddance to you and your belief system.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 9:02 am to Errerrerrwere
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I don't know any Christian that share killing innocent women and children. Nor do any Christians I know share the destruction of a race of people and are responsible since the 1970's for killing millions upon millions of them.
Let's try to get past that point before we move any further. Agreed?
Yeah you do. Every war we've fought, from the Crusades to the snatch & grab of the Venezuelans President.
As for the Jews, they have shown FAR more restraint than I would have, given their circumstances. If you're one of those Pal flag waving zealots, there's no getting past anything.
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