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re: Jesus Was a Refugee Commercial
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:39 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:39 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:FWIW:
Yeah the same Archelaus that we know from non Christian records was out of power or dead by the time Quirinius became governor.
• Jesus' birth is generally estimated to have occurred between 6 BC and 4 BC.
• Herod died in 4 BC.
• Scholars believe Quirinius served governor of Syria twice, with his first term ~ 3-2 BC. However, historical records are incomplete for the office during this period.
• Archelaus was ethnarch (national leader) of Judea, Samaria, and Idumea from 4 BC to 6 AD.
• Archelaus and Quirinius did not govern the same region.
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:40 am to Squirrelmeister
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The most important scripture to New Testament authors was a book we call 1 Enoch.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:58 am to BasedAF
This is what has ruined Christianity in the West. Europe has fallen to migrants of Islam. The push from these ads is not from real Christians
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:10 am to BasedAF
Just like a these people to miss the entire purpose of Jesus coming to earth, to be beaten, crucified, die, buried, and finally resurrected to take the punishment on mankind’s behalf, only to focus on some refugee story they’ve concocted to justify open borders, cheap labor, and political power.
That about sums up where man’s heart actually is. God sacrificed everything to renew a relationship with mankind, and man turns around and uses that ultimate blameless, and selfless sacrifice of our creator for their own selfish gain, completely uninterested in the Gospel message, because they just don’t care. They only care about what they want to care about. THEM.
That about sums up where man’s heart actually is. God sacrificed everything to renew a relationship with mankind, and man turns around and uses that ultimate blameless, and selfless sacrifice of our creator for their own selfish gain, completely uninterested in the Gospel message, because they just don’t care. They only care about what they want to care about. THEM.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:21 am to Stinger_1066
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I'm a MAGA atheist. I love how you Christians don't know what your own scriptures actually say.
Based on what I'm reading here the poster you're replying to totally blanked on the time in Egypt and thought of Jesus living in Nazareth until his 30s
I do wish today's refugees would return to their homelands like Jesus instead of entrenching themselves in the States & Europe
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:21 am to NC_Tigah
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• Jesus' birth is generally estimated to have occurred between 6 BC and 4 BC.
“Matthew” claims it was between 6 BCE and 4 BCE. Due to us knowing when Herod the great really died in 4BCE from non Christian records.
“Luke” claims it was around 6 CE when Quirinius became governor and Syria (we know that year from non Christian records).
When Luke was re-writing Matthew, he could have kept the dating the same (Jesus born under Herod the great) but he chose to make the change. We can speculate he made the change because he disagreed with Matthew’s account.
The apostle Paul on the other hand wouldn’t have even agreed Jesus was ever born on earth.
similar to John’s gospel when he comes down from heaven as an adult miracle slinging badass. quote:
• Herod died in 4 BC
Hey we agree. Nice
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• Scholars believe Quirinius served governor of Syria twice, with his first term ~ 3-2 BC.
I have heard that claim from Christian apologists. Double governorship of Quirinius is a made up excuse for the contradiction between Luke and Matthew. There’s no truth in it.
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However, historical records are incomplete for the office during this period.
I guess every historical record is incomplete, if you want to be technical, but each becomes more complete after each archaeological find on the subject matter.
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• Archelaus was ethnarch (national leader) of Judea, Samaria, and Idumea from 4 BC to 6 AD.
Agree
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• Archelaus and Quirinius did not govern the same region.
Also agree. They had different areas but some of the areas overlapped.
Luke and Matthew contradict on when Jesus was born. Luke, who re-wrote Matthew, never intended for there to be a contradiction. Luke was “correcting” Matthew and meant to replace Matthew, not to be a companion text.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:31 am to Squirrelmeister
Merry Christmas!!
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:43 am to NC_Tigah
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Scholars believe Quirinius served governor of Syria twice, with his first term ~ 3-2 BC. However, historical records are incomplete for the office during this period
Rome rotated their governors out of fear they'd build up too much local power and influence. There is no evidence of someone serving as governor twice over the same region.
I can't recall the specifics, but during the 4 BC time frame Quirinius was an officer in a far away military campaign.
Besides, Judea wasn't added to the Syrian Providence until both after Herod's death and after Herod's sons, whom inherented Herod's rule over Judea, proved they were incapable of ruling Judea the way the Roman's wanted them too. The census that would have occurred, no matter what, would have occurred AFTER Herod's death.
The only scholars trying to make this fit are the scholars that place maintaining the Bible's infallibility over truth, and should be disregarded.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:47 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Paul focused on Jesus' message rather than his life. You interpret the gospel of Paul as an assertion Jesus never "walked around" Nazareth, Jerusalem, etc. It's silliness of course, but you know that. Even with Paul's specific focus, he refers to the Last Supper, Jesus death (which obviously entails life), etc.
The apostle Paul on the other hand wouldn’t have even agreed Jesus was ever born on earth.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:02 am to NC_Tigah
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Paul focused on Jesus' message rather than his life.
The tales of Jesus’ life on earth and his ministry hadn’t been invented when Paul was writing to his churches.
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You interpret the gospel of Paul as an assertion Jesus never "walked around" Nazareth, Jerusalem, etc.
So you choose to ignore Paul when he writes that Jesus was given a body of flesh, descended from the highest heaven, was killed in heaven by the archons of this age, resurrected and only then was given the name “Jesus” and was then exalted to sit at El’s right hand on his throne in the highest heaven. Paul literally states Jesus was killed in heaven by the heavenly beings. Ignore it if you want.
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Even with Paul's specific focus, he refers to the Last Supper,
Did Paul name any names of anyone who Jesus was eating with? You probably don’t realize that the Jews believed the earth was a less glorious copy of what was in heaven. They believed there were houses, palaces, temples, thrones, trees, food, etc. in heaven. Paul might have really believed Jesus ate supper before he was killed by the archons. He just would have believed that supper was up in heaven.
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Jesus death (which obviously entails life), etc.
You have two sources in your own scripture who state Jesus was killed in heaven. Paul in 1 Corinthians 2 and Ephesian 6:12. The author of Hebrews has a different story but Jesus was still killed in heaven (in the heavenly temple) per Hebrews 9:11.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:05 am to Azkiger
quote:Well that is a stupid claim, isn't it. While it is entirely possible that oral history erroneously conflated reasons for Joseph, Mary, and Jesus to exit Bethlehem, it is also possible censuses other than the Roman one were conducted.
The only scholars trying to make this fit are the scholars that place maintaining the Bible's infallibility over truth, and should be disregarded.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:09 am to NC_Tigah
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it is also possible censuses other than the Roman one were conducted.
That’s how your apologists work. You don’t have to show something is most likely or even likely to have happened. You just have to make up some crazy exist and talk yourself into the idea that your crazy excuse is not impossible.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:10 am to BasedAF
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Jesus Was a Refugee Commercial
Just more progressive white-guilt gaslighting.
Jesus didn't take "refuge". He walked right into the heart of the fire and government corruption to spread His message, knowing full well it would cost him his life. Jesus was a patriot, not a refugee.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:10 am to Squirrelmeister
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Squirrelmeister
Go spend time with your family today. TD will be here later
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:11 am to BasedAF
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shite libs trying to pull on heart strings and emotions to push accepting endless migrants. It’s so obvious to anyone with a brain and an ounce of independent thought. Just disgusting and despicable behavior from leftists.
The left and right are no different from each other. They each pick out parts of the Bible that serve their agendas, and discard the rest. Jesus was a liberal with conservative values. Under the totalitarian system that we are living under, both parties are controlled by the same people.
By supporting either party, you are screwing yourself. They only represent big business. You are going to slowly have your freedom taken away, as you become a slave on the corporate plantation. Uncle Sam refuses to regulate big buisness.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:11 am to Squirrelmeister
Squirrelly.....
Are you one who couldn't get a job because of certain organizations such as Masons, Kiwanis club, and the Girl Scouts working against you?
Are you one who couldn't get a job because of certain organizations such as Masons, Kiwanis club, and the Girl Scouts working against you?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:11 am to NC_Tigah
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Well that is a stupid claim... While it is entirely possible that oral history erroneously conflated reasons for Joseph, Mary, and Jesus to exit Bethlehem
So your rebuttal to my pointing out people who take that like of argument are attempting to maintain Biblical infallibility is to offer up solutions that involve Biblical infallibility?
Brilliant.
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it is also possible censuses other than the Roman one were conducted.
Considering Judea, prior to being added to the Syrian Providence, was an independent nation, the only powers capable of performing such a census would be Judea itself.
Do you know why Judea wouldn't have performed a peacetime census on themselves?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:18 am to Squirrelmeister
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You have two sources in your own scripture who state Jesus was killed in heaven. Paul in 1 Corinthians 2 and Ephesian 6:12.
Jesus' birth:
Galatians 4:4: "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,"
Jesus' human life:
Philippians 2:5–8: In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Jesus' death and resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:3-4: For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:26 am to krewerider
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Squirrelly.....
Are you one who couldn't get a job because of certain organizations such as Masons, Kiwanis club, and the Girl Scouts working against you?
That was me. I said that these groups often give preference to hiring their own, just like family members hire through nepotism. This is a type of discrimination.
Police departments are especially bad about having masonic groups working covertly inside their departments. It creates a secret department within the department.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:03 am to themunch
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it makes you feel guilty about supporting a closed border
What countries of the world have any thing but closed borders? You think people want the control on borders due to religious beliefs.
What a wasted bunch of pages to simply deny anything to do with Christ Jesus.
Satan thanks you for your service.
Peace and love to you all through Christ Jesus.
Your reading comprehension is horrible. Go back and read again and admit your mistake. Otherwise, STFU.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:08 am
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