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re: Jesus Was a Refugee Commercial
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:54 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:54 am to Squirrelmeister
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It’s so obvious to anyone with a brain and an ounce of independent thought
that
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Jesus Was
a mythical character on par with Osiris and Heracles.
The point of this thread went so far over your head it hurts.
For the sake of argument, let's say you are completely correct. The commercial isn't to dispute the reality of Jesus, but to sway sympathy and emotional bias in Christians to believe it is a sin to block illegal immigrants.
Its propaganda that either you didn't get, or, you just want to troll post Christians.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 7:55 am
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:01 am to bluedragon
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Give it up. The smut you read and cite makes you look as stupid as you sound.
The consensus of biblical scholarship at the moment is that Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Samson, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Solomon, etc. are all fictional… just mythical characters. It wasn’t like that just 30 years ago.
In 30 years from now, if you are still alive, remember ole Squirrelmeister when the consensus of biblical scholars acknowledges Jesus most likely did not exist.
If you have an open mind and you want to look at the best arguments - hey maybe it will strengthen your faith - then I’d urge to you purchase a copy of “On the history of Jesus” by Dr Richard Carrier. Also a much easier read would be his books “Nailed” and “Jesus Mything in Action” by David Fitzgerald.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:01 am to Cuz413
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The point of this thread went so far over your head it hurts.
He's afraid that God hates figs.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:03 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Within 10 - 20yrs of osiris walking the Earth?
There was a sect of Egyptians who believed in Osiris as their savior deity.
With 100's of people recounting hearing him speak?
With unaffiliated historians recording him as a person?
Of course not.
You're lost.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:06 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Wait!
Not a firsthand account. He’s writing nearly 100 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus.
Not a firsthand account. They are just talking about the existence of Christians and trying to figure out their beliefs.
In your squirrel-brained world, historians accounts are only accurate if the historians themselves witness the subject first hand??
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Within 10 - 20yrs of osiris walking the Earth?
He didn’t actually walk the earth. He wasn’t a real person. Maybe you misunderstood.
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With 100's of people recounting hearing him speak?
I think you are confused. We have this one guy, Paul, making claims that a bunch of people had visions of the resurrected Jesus. What we don’t have are the accounts of any firsthand eyewitness other than Paul.
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With unaffiliated historians recording him as a person?
Except we don’t have this of Jesus. Just some Christian forgeries (Josephus) and some references to Christians worshipping Jesus in the second century.
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You're lost.
I’m going to sort of have to disagree with you there.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:10 am to Squirrelmeister
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consensus of biblical scholars
Having been in academia for 30+ years, any "consensus of scholars" is far more mythical than the existence of a man called Jesus.
Have the stories that made their way into the Gospels 50+ years following his death been "mythologized"? Most likely, but to deny the existence of Jesus in what ever capacity (man, prophet, deity) is a little silly.
You post like one of those people that took a 200 level class in film and feels both empowered and compelled to explain to everyone why their favorite movie is ackshually terrible.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:12 am to NC_Tigah
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Wait! In your squirrel-brained world, historians accounts are only accurate if the historians themselves witness the subject first hand??
No, but the historical account should be based on some kind of evidence. The only thing referenced are that there were people called Christians worshipping a deity they called Jesus.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 am to Squirrelmeister
Useless false historians, such as, you rely on smut.
Caesar Augustus ordered several Census in the Roman Empire....
You can't recite what Census demanded, nor can you recite the purpose ....
If you were this lazy in studies ......you make a living digging ditches ,,,,
Caesar Augustus ordered several Census in the Roman Empire....
You can't recite what Census demanded, nor can you recite the purpose ....
If you were this lazy in studies ......you make a living digging ditches ,,,,
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:The presence of 100's of witnesses, some 1st hand, sharing similar stories, is not evidence?
No, but the historical account should be based on some kind of evidence.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:20 am to Wildcat1996
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Having been in academia for 30+ years, any "consensus of scholars" is far more mythical than the existence of a man called Jesus.
Great, Mr. Smart guy. There is a scholarly work, about 700 pages (much of it reference material and citations), called “On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We May Have Reason to Doubt” by Dr Richard Carrier. You sound like you are open minded enough to read that book and report back.
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Have the stories that made their way into the Gospels 50+ years following his death been "mythologized"? Most likely
So you haven’t done any personal research I see, or your “most likely” would have been “absolutely”. If you’d care for an example, do a search for my recent explanations for Yom Kippur and how Jesus Barabbas (Jesus son of the father) was released while Jesus the one called Christos was sacrificed in a reenactment of the Day or Atonement ritual of significant importance to the first temple cult.
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Most likely, but to deny the existence of Jesus in what ever capacity (man, prophet, deity) is a little silly.
I was like you. Of course the man Jesus existed. Boy was I wrong. Do your research.
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You post like one of those people that took a 200 level class in film and feels both empowered and compelled to explain to everyone why their favorite movie is ackshually terrible.
Mr. Career student go ahead and do some reading. 30 years in academia - you should have excellent skills at understanding how to do research and how to read peer reviewed research. Read the book I referenced.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to BasedAF
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Jesus Was a Refugee
Meh. These don't upset me, but I do find it comical that while the Christmas story depicts the Christ child born in a foreign land, the family is back in Jerusalem at the temple where Simeon sees the Messiah and gives us the Nunc Dimittis.
So Jesus the refugee and his parents were returned to their home country in short order...which is exactly what those dastardly conservatives support.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to BasedAF
Holy shite. It doesn’t take much for some of you to respond to a harmless tv spot that advocates a modicum of tolerance
that would reflect Jesus’ teachings.
Maybe you prefer a PSA warning the public about America’s blood being poisoned.
that would reflect Jesus’ teachings.
Maybe you prefer a PSA warning the public about America’s blood being poisoned.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to bluedragon
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Caesar Augustus ordered several Census in the Roman Empire....
One question for you.
Does it make sense, that in order to count people, the people should all pick one ancestor of a thousand years ago (among a million possible ancestors) and leave their home to go to their ancestral home to be counted?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:24 am to NC_Tigah
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The presence of 100's of witnesses, some 1st hand, sharing similar stories, is not evidence?
If I wrote a letter claiming Bigfoot appeared to 100 of my friends, but didn’t name any of those friends, and none of those friends wrote about it… does that count as undeniable evidence that 100 of my friends saw Bigfoot?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am to Revelator
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He wasn’t a refugee. He lived in Nazareth.
I'm a MAGA atheist. I love how you Christians don't know what your own scriptures actually say.
First of all, Joseph and Mary had to take refuge in a stable because there was no room at the inn. You can read about that in Luke.
And then there is this from Matthew, Chapter 2, vs 13 and 14:
13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”[c]
Explain to me again how Jesus and his family were not refugees in Egypt.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:26 am to SkiUtah420
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Jesus was not a refugee
he traveled from Roman Judea to Roman Egypt after his birth to escape the Massacre of the Innocents
Essentially the equivalent of moving from state to state
Spin it however you want. Anyone who has to leave the place they live to find safety is a refugee. The definition of the word has nothing to do with crossing national borders.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:28 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:No.
He didn’t actually walk the earth. He wasn’t a real person. Maybe you misunderstood.
I misunderstood nothing. You misunderstood my statement as supposition. It isn't. Now you can argue Jesus is not the Son of God. You can argue certain related stories are confabulations. But to argue Jesus never existed in reality, considering the historical record, is painful idiocy.
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