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re: Jesus was NOT a Refugee
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:27 pm to PillageUrVillage
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:27 pm to PillageUrVillage
quote:
Just shut up and accept the invasion you bigot.
Exactly.
This isn’t about Jesus.
And nothing in this move toward open borders has anything to do with Christian compassion for refugees or immigrants.
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:28 pm to geauxbrown
quote:Neither are the people flooding into the USA and Europe. They've been doing the 'refugee' song and dance in Europe for years now, when most of the migrants are coming from places where there are no conflicts. It works like a charm on women, though, so into the abyss we all go.
Jesus was NOT a Refugee
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:29 pm to geauxbrown
There's a youtube channel for these commercials and I think about half the comments are calling them out for lies etc. There are some Koolaid drinkers, though.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:30 pm to Sam Quint
quote::grin:
Watching Hank get everyone's feathers all rustled over an inconsequential argument is getting comical.
What I find entertaining about this whole thing is the tendency to think that one must go “all in“ on the argument.
How many of the anti-immigration folks are willing to simply say “yes, he was a political refugee, but that makes absolutely no difference in the current context.“ 10%?
No, “we must insist that he was not a political refugee. We cannot concede even one mm of ground, no matter how inconsequential.”
Belly-laugh funny.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:31 pm to geauxbrown
I was told that Mary and Joseph were refugees at Christmas Mass 2015, so this direction of the narrative doesn’t surprise me.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
to Egypt
Did he stay in Egypt all the way thru college graduation?
The More You Know
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:35 pm to RobbBobb
quote:relevance to the OP?
Did he stay in Egypt all the way thru college graduation?
Would his ministry have been less important, if he had stayed in Egypt until his 30th birthday, building houses in Alexandria rather than in Tiberius?
That is actually kind of an interesting question. The Jews in Egypt were significantly more Hellenized than the rural Jews in the vicinity of Galilee. His background would have been very different. His education would’ve been very different. Who knows if his ministry might not have been somewhat different as well.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:53 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Judea (then still a nominally independent country)
Wrong.
The Herodians were puppets of Rome. Which is why people asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom.
He was born in Bethlehem because Joseph went there to register for the Roman census.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:55 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:You really do not want to debate history with me. You will lose … every time.
Bestbank Tiger
Judea was a client state. It was nominally independent. This is how Rome usually began the process of incorporating newly conquered territories. De facto? No, not so much.
The region was not incorporated as a province of the Roman empire until after the death of Jesus.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:00 pm to geauxbrown
You saw that too huh? I laughed out loud at the audacity of it.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:00 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Did he and his family flee from Judea (then still a nominally independent country) to Egypt (a province of another country, Rome) in order to avoid political persecution (government sanctioned murder) by the Hasmodian king of Judea?
How twisted around the axle do you have to be to believe that it is anywhere near comparable to modern day refugees?
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:02 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Pretty confused, as to the vast majority of potential immigrants.
How twisted around the axle do you have to be to believe that (Hesus fleeing to Egypt) is anywhere near comparable to modern day refugees?
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The region was not incorporated as a province of the Roman empire until more than 30 years after the death of Jesus, as a result of the great Jewish revolt.
Then why did they have a Roman governor at the time of the crucifixion?
You can spin it all you want but Judea was subject to Rome.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:17 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
How many of the anti-immigration folks are willing to simply say “yes, he was a political refugee, but that makes absolutely no difference in the current context.“ 10%? No, “we must insist that he was not a political refugee. We cannot concede even one mm of ground, no matter how inconsequential.”
Sigh. I know it.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:19 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:They did not, exactly. We are talking about two different time periods.
Then why did they have a Roman governor at the time of the crucifixion?
At the time that Jesus was born and fled to Egypt, the Hasmodean Kingdom in its entirety was still nominally independent under Herod the Great. There was no "Roman governor."
That changed by the time of the crucifixion.
When Herod the Great died (a couple of years after Jesus' birth), his kingdom was divided into four parts with two being far larger than the other two. Herod the Great left the largest portion (including Judah and Samaria) to his son Herod Achelaus, and the second-largest portion (including Galilee and Perea) was left to Herod Antipas. Both were nominally independent.
Achelaus was such a bad ruler that the citizenry petitioned Rome to remove him and to make his area a Roman province. This happened in 6 CE. Antipas' portion remained independent for another generation, but was eventually incorporated as a province itself. Rome did not merge Antipas' area with Archelaus' area into a single, larger province for another hundred years, in 120 CE.
So, Jerusalem and the southern areas DID have (sort of) direct Roman rule at the time of the crucifixion, though the Romans worked largely through the Temple officials. At the same time, the areas under Antipas remained nominally independent.
Pilate officiated in the Jerusalem area, but he was not a "governor." His title was “prefect,” and “governor” is not a very good translation of how that title was used in the late Republic and early Imperial periods.
“Prefect” was primarily a military title, though in conquered nations it did also entail some civil responsibilities, mostly collecting tribute and keeping an eye on the local quislings. Pilate also does not appear to have been the ultimate provincial boss anyway, as it appears that he reported to the Roman authorities in Syria.
Rome did not start appointing a consul or praetor of newer provinces until the reign of Claudius, some ten years after Jesus' death. Those officials were more analogous to the term “governor,“ and they had far more civil control/authority. Judea did not rise to the level of a distinct province with its own praetor until after the end of the First Jewish War in 70 CE, long after Pilate. In the interim, it was governed by a mere prefect (with the exception of a brief period under Herod Agrippa, the last Hasmodean). It did not rise to the level of having a consul until consolidation with the former Antipas territories in 120 CE.
Prior to Jesus' birth, the Hasmodean kingdom had been an “ally“ of Rome for at least a century. During that time, it became an increasingly-subservient “ally“ as time passed.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:29 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:"He wasn’t a carpenter" is an affirmative statement. Prove it, nitwit.
He wasn’t a carpenter either
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:40 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Who knows if his ministry might not have been somewhat different as well.
Holy retard, Batman
So God, who came to us in flesh, would have had a different ministry based on a his life experience? I'm not sure you grasp, even a little bit, what the purpose of the ministry of Jesus was
Damn dude. Just take the rest of the night off. This posting thing just doesnt seem to be your cup of tea
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:41 pm to NC_Tigah
“Jesus was an only son
And love his only concept
Strangers cry in foreign tongues
And dirty up the doorstep
And I for one, and you for two
Ain't got the time for outside
Keep your injured looks to you
We'll tell the world that we tried”
-Townes Van Zandt/Lungs
And love his only concept
Strangers cry in foreign tongues
And dirty up the doorstep
And I for one, and you for two
Ain't got the time for outside
Keep your injured looks to you
We'll tell the world that we tried”
-Townes Van Zandt/Lungs
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:43 pm to geauxbrown
My post from the thread started by LaMotta:
quote:
Refugee - not immigrant.
Jesus Christ went back.
Jesus from Mexico, not so much.
Just saying.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:45 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Did he and his family flee from Judea (then still a nominally independent country) to Egypt (a province of another country, Rome) in order to avoid political persecution (government sanctioned murder) by the Hasmodian king of Judea? That sort of thing is rather the definition of a political refugee.
Spot on
quote:
It also has no bearing upon the status of probably 98% of the Illegal aliens flooding into this country today.
FIFY
They are invaders at this point, not refugees.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 6:46 pm
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