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re: Jesus was NOT a Refugee
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:48 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:48 pm to AggieHank86
The Holy Family went to Egypt which had a large Jewish community in the Alexandria area. They would have been welcomed by their own people and integrated seamlessly until they returned to Judea. It was more like a long visit than seeking refuge.
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:50 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Can you tell me where in Egypt they “fled” to? I'm not sure of their exact location in Egypt.
How long were they there? Until Herod died.
Did they leave and return home???? Yes. They settled in Nazareth.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:51 pm to LRB1967
quote:
It was more like a long visit than seeking refuge.
They were definitely seeking refuge.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 6:55 pm to LRB1967
quote:If you are running from the government that is actively trying to kill you, you are a political refugee.
It was more like a long visit than seeking refuge.
You’re not visiting aunt Edna in Smithville.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:12 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
If you are running from the government that is actively trying to kill you, you are a political refugee.
Correct.
Jesus Christ did go back though.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:13 pm to LRB1967
quote:
It was more like a long visit than seeking refuge.
That’s one way to look at it.
Kind of like thinking prison is a “staycation.”
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:15 pm to geauxbrown
We could have a "Jesus wasn't in favor of drag story hour" and the usual suspects would be in to claim he would. Sheesh.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The OP is about Jesus bar Yusuf
Yeshua bar Yusuf.
You insist on being a stickler? Fine. Get it right.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:34 pm to geauxbrown
Well He was the creator so, it belonged to Him
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:44 pm to Godfather1
quote:In a vacuum, I would agree with you, and I would’ve use that term. But using the “Jesus“ spelling just made a much better parallel to “Jesus Gonzalez“ in the same post.quote:Yeshua bar Yusuf. You insist on being a stickler? Fine. Get it right.
The OP is about Jesus bar Yusuf
quote:Just gave the whole thing a bit of rhetorical flourish.
The problem with these commercials is not that they describe Jesus bar Yusef as a political refugee.
The problem is that they fail to disclose that Jesus Gonzalez probably is not.
I'm all about the flourish.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:49 pm to AggieHank86
AggieHank is running circles around these guys
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:50 pm to Between TheHedges
quote:Yep.
AggieHank is running circles around these guys
Posted on 12/31/22 at 7:54 pm to AggieHank86
National identity and borders weren’t understood in the time of the Romans like they are today. So the comparison is both anachronistic and silly.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:01 pm to geauxbrown
I’m cool with letting in good, hard working families with Christian values…. But, they gotta speak English or at least aspire to assimilate. All successful immigrant groups have assimilated and become part of the population. So far Latinos haven’t really done that given the Mexico flags everywhere
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:01 pm to RollTide1987
quote:TBC, Hank addressed that early on.
So the comparison is both anachronistic and silly.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:02 pm to geauxbrown
I despise ESPN!
But I have to watch college football.....
But I have to watch college football.....
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:06 pm to geauxbrown
If Jesus came to America, he would have followed the entry rules of the USA!
This comparison is sacreligious and disgusting!
frick ESPN!!!!!
This comparison is sacreligious and disgusting!
frick ESPN!!!!!
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:08 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I think it was in an earlier thread a few days ago, but yes.
National identity and borders weren’t understood in the time of the Romans like they are today. So the comparison is both anachronistic and sillyquote:
TBC, Hank addressed that early on.
The concept of "immigration" (with border checkpoints and the like) did not really exist for individuals. The Romans certainly DID use border troops to prevent large-scale MIGRATIONS of entire PEOPLES into their territories, but they mostly did not care if a few families moved around.
But you can be DAMNED sure that they were not going to tolerate some little Hasmodean tinpot ruler of Judea chasing anyone into the Roman province of Egypt, capturing them, and dragging them back to Judea. That would be seen as a direct challenge to Roman sovereignty on its own territory. Might have been the last thing that said tinpot dictator ever did.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:16 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:There are TONS of instances TODAY of citizens who flee their native land to escape persecution by a dictator ... but then return home when the dictator dies or is deposed.quote:That’s one way to look at it.
It was more like a long visit than seeking refuge.
Kind of like thinking prison is a “staycation.”
Jesus' situation was MUCH more like that, than like a six-month visit to Aunt Miriam's house over in Hoboken.
Make no mistake, the actions of Herod the Great were those of a dictator. Herod Archelaus, too, which is why the family returned from Egypt and went to Nazareth (in Antipas' territory) rather than to Bethlehem (in Archelaus' territory).
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:23 pm to LaMotta
quote:
not trek through 5 or 6 countries to get to the one that will give you a bunch of free handouts.
Trek? They bus those invaders to our borders.
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