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re: JOHN CLAUSER, 2022 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE WINNER: "...there is No Climate Emergency"
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:19 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:19 am to DavidTheGnome
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the forces of denial.
Great with the loons use their loon language and identify themselves as loons.
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:21 am to oogabooga68
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I also know that the "consensus" you speak of was a talking point being pushed by you pervs that consisted of Veterinarians, Gynecologists and Podiatrists weighing in with their "expertise"...
LINK
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Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:23 am to GumboPot
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there is No Climate Emergency"
Non Nobel Prize winner here, and I have been saying the same thing for decades.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:23 am to DavidTheGnome
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publishing climate scientists
Loons and liars by definition.
It was once just called a sub speciality of physics. Until the grift started and all the grifters jumped in.
That's why the grifters can't wait for all the old physicists to die off and stop calling them liars and morons.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:24 am to rnojoman
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it doesn't mean sourcing your insane and frankly idiotic claims with some right wing grifter's tweet, son.
It doesn't mean what it once did, pops and on this particular subject it has never really meant much... Just because a bunch of paid scientists get on the band wagon in order to keep their grift going doesn't make it true...
Try to keep up...
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:27 am to SaintTiger1
Your melt makes me happy 
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:28 am to DavidTheGnome
Let me explain something about temperature in terms of energy and temperature change. There is the property of materials in physics called heat capacity in units of energy per unit mass-temperature. In other words, the amount of energy in joules to raise on kilogram of mass one degree kelvin. The lower the heat capacity the quicker the material will rise in temperature.
I know climate scientist like to tout the natural frequency of the CO2 molecule as aligning with infrared frequency thus CO2 continues to vibrate thus absorbing heat even during the nighttime hours but the fact is, CO2 can only absorbs as much heat as its heat capacity allows and regardless of electromagnetic radiation frequencies.
Here is a list of heat capacities of our main atmospheric gases:
Nitrogen: 1.02 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 78% of air)
Oxygen: 0.919 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 20.5% of air)
Argon: 0.52 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 1% of air)
CO2: 0.844 kJ/kg-K (accounts for a bout 0.04% of air).
Remaining are trace gases (in fact CO2 is a trace gas).
What do those numbers mean?
The lower the heat capacity the less energy you need to raise on kilogram of those gases one degree.
Now when you add water vapor to the mix as in relative humidity the ability of the atmosphere to absorb energy and change temperature at a slower rate drastically changes.
Water vapor has a heat capacity of 1.93 kJ/kg-K. But that is not the only property about water that effects the atmosphere. It is also the only gas in the atmosphere that goes through three phase changes which also take a lot more energy. From solid to liquid it takes 334 kJ/kg and from liquid to vapor it takes 2460 kJ/kg.
(When water evaporates from your skin it is removing 2460 kJ/kg of heat...that why it feels cool).
Water in the atmosphere explains the difference in the climates between Huntsville, AL and Phoenix, AZ. Both cities are on the same latitude and receive the same incidence of sunlight. Both are at the same elevation. The only difference is water vapor concentration. Huntsville's higher water vapor concentration causes Huntsville to be more temperate than Phoenix. That is Huntsville has lower high temperatures and higher low temperatures.
Huntsville versus Phoenix climate can be DIRECTLY attributed to there local atmospheric heat capacities.
I know climate scientist like to tout the natural frequency of the CO2 molecule as aligning with infrared frequency thus CO2 continues to vibrate thus absorbing heat even during the nighttime hours but the fact is, CO2 can only absorbs as much heat as its heat capacity allows and regardless of electromagnetic radiation frequencies.
Here is a list of heat capacities of our main atmospheric gases:
Nitrogen: 1.02 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 78% of air)
Oxygen: 0.919 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 20.5% of air)
Argon: 0.52 kJ/kg-K (accounts for about 1% of air)
CO2: 0.844 kJ/kg-K (accounts for a bout 0.04% of air).
Remaining are trace gases (in fact CO2 is a trace gas).
What do those numbers mean?
The lower the heat capacity the less energy you need to raise on kilogram of those gases one degree.
Now when you add water vapor to the mix as in relative humidity the ability of the atmosphere to absorb energy and change temperature at a slower rate drastically changes.
Water vapor has a heat capacity of 1.93 kJ/kg-K. But that is not the only property about water that effects the atmosphere. It is also the only gas in the atmosphere that goes through three phase changes which also take a lot more energy. From solid to liquid it takes 334 kJ/kg and from liquid to vapor it takes 2460 kJ/kg.
(When water evaporates from your skin it is removing 2460 kJ/kg of heat...that why it feels cool).
Water in the atmosphere explains the difference in the climates between Huntsville, AL and Phoenix, AZ. Both cities are on the same latitude and receive the same incidence of sunlight. Both are at the same elevation. The only difference is water vapor concentration. Huntsville's higher water vapor concentration causes Huntsville to be more temperate than Phoenix. That is Huntsville has lower high temperatures and higher low temperatures.
Huntsville versus Phoenix climate can be DIRECTLY attributed to there local atmospheric heat capacities.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:36 am to GumboPot
Can you imagine how many Lefties he triggered, so horribly bad, that they had to call in sick that day?
People that have been snookered by Global Climate Warming Cooling We Can't Decide are alarming
People that have been snookered by Global Climate Warming Cooling We Can't Decide are alarming
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:40 am to SaintTiger1
quote:We at a climatary interstadial maximum. What is the cause of the stadial periods? Put another way, what will initiate the next impending stadial?
SaintTiger1
Your "125 Nobel laureates" seem not to know. Perhaps you could grace us with your 'educated' opinion?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:46 am to GumboPot
This has been perpetuated initially because climate scientists realized they’d built a paying career out of it, and stopping the theory would stop the paychecks.
More recently, marxists realized they could implement wealth redistribution under the cover of climate change (see the Paris Accords), and now all politicians realize they can launder money through the third world using climate change.
More recently, marxists realized they could implement wealth redistribution under the cover of climate change (see the Paris Accords), and now all politicians realize they can launder money through the third world using climate change.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:50 am to NC_Tigah
If engineers used the laws of physics like the climatologists , technological development would have stopped with the invention of the wheel, with folks arguing it can only roll left, not right.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:50 am to oogabooga68
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What's hilarious is that the whole "consensus of Scientists " that was being pushed was such a horse shite lie.
Many of those "$cientists were Veterinarians, Gynecologists, so and and so forth......
I don't know about that, but the report I looked at was one where somewhere in the thousands of questionnaires were sent out, only something like less than 100 were sent back and of those it was 99%. Which, of course, is a huge difference than what the claim implies.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:58 am to Trevaylin
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If engineers used the laws of physics like the climatologists , technological development would have stopped with the invention of the wheel, with folks arguing it can only roll left, not right.
100% fact.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:59 am to SaintTiger1
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SaintTiger1
Your “Science” is a religion. Actual science doesn’t decree in absolutes. It is a constantly evolving understanding of the universe and doesn’t require faking data, propaganda or dogmatic adherence under threat of censure.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:02 pm to TheHarahanian
Climate science is the WWE of science.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:23 pm to SaintTiger1
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Thank god scientists didn't want to take as fact that the earth was flat.
They in fact did. It took some "out of the box" people to finally convince the "scientists" that they were FOS. Same case here. It is all fear mongering.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Except his "logical reasoning" is based on faulty claims
You know his claims are faulty? Who told you they were faulty?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:27 pm to SaintTiger1
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They also might need to write a paper about it and have it peer reviewed.
But of course yall would believe the one quack not even in his own field.
Do i need to be a nobel laureate to understand how funding for science works? Do you think these laureates are getting grants FROM THE GOVERNMENT, by opposing the government favored narrative?
Also, simple composition of our atmosphere would suggest that basing Earth's "warming" solely on CO2 and Methane is idiotic at best.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:33 pm to GumboPot
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Now when you add water vapor to the mix as in relative humidity the ability of the atmosphere to absorb energy and change temperature at a slower rate drastically changes.
Water vapor has a heat capacity of 1.93 kJ/kg-K. But that is not the only property about water that effects the atmosphere. It is also the only gas in the atmosphere that goes through three phase changes which also take a lot more energy. From solid to liquid it takes 334 kJ/kg and from liquid to vapor it takes 2460 kJ/kg.
(When water evaporates from your skin it is removing 2460 kJ/kg of heat...that why it feels cool).
Water in the atmosphere explains the difference in the climates between Huntsville, AL and Phoenix, AZ. Both cities are on the same latitude and receive the same incidence of sunlight. Both are at the same elevation. The only difference is water vapor concentration. Huntsville's higher water vapor concentration causes Huntsville to be more temperate than Phoenix. That is Huntsville has lower high temperatures and higher low temperatures.
Huntsville versus Phoenix climate can be DIRECTLY attributed to there local atmospheric heat capacities.
Excellent post. It's amazing how not a single one of those "laureates" takes into account water vapor.
Or, here's a common sense question the pro-warmers can ask themselves.
Considering Obama was a big proponent of carbon credits and imposing laws and regulations to fight "global warming", explain why the same person:
a) Has a $12 million mansion on an island.
b) Main mode of travel is via air, which produces exponenttially the amount of CO2 as the average american.
And the big one, i want just 1 of these global warming eco-terrorists to tell me what temperature the Earth is supposed to be at all times.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:52 pm to BugAC
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It's amazing how not a single one of those "laureates" takes into account water vapor.
Just for arguments sake let's remove water vapor but increase the concentration of CO2 10 times (this is the lower level of the CO2 concentration during the biggest life expansion on earth, the Cambrian period). That is, CO2 increases in concentration from 0.04% to 0.4% and the ability of the sun to change atmospheric temperature only increases by 0.05427%.
This is how the math works:
Atmospheric constituent/percent concentration/heat capacity
N2 78.08% 1.02
O2 20.95% 0.919
Ar 0.93% 0.520
CO2 0.04% 0.844
Heat capacity of air (with no water): 0.99412 kJ/kg-K (it's just a proportional sum).
Now increase the CO2 by 10 times which requires a proportional decrease in the other three constituents.
N2 77.799%
O2 20.875%
Ar 0.927%
CO2 0.400%
Heat capacity of air with 10X CO2 is now 0.993581 kJ/kg-K
That means the sun can work a little less harder to increase the temperature of air, but how much less harder?
(1-(0.99412-0.993581))*100 = 0.05427%.
That is not a lot. When you include water vapor into the atmosphere that 0.05427% less energy required by the sun to raise the temperature of the atmosphere with 10X CO2 will be EASILY absorbed by water vapor.
Water is earth's climate dampener analogous to a spring-mass-dampening vibrations problem or a capacitor in an electrical circuits problem.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 12:56 pm
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