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re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Day 7
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:22 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:22 pm to BobBoucher
quote:Ask any LEO what happens when someone tries to take your duty weapon.
This was the prosecutions point. Rosenbaum didn’t have a weapon. Therefore he wasn’t a threat.
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:23 pm to Taxing Authority
Tucker talking about Biden calling Kyle a white supremacist, I hope Kyle sues that dumb bastard and hope it’s in the media.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:29 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Mostly his not answering questions directly
You mean the questions that were asked 20 times over after he initially answered them?
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:33 pm to Havoc
ADA: I am going to ask you a question
Kyle: answer
ADA: I will ask it another way
Kyle: same answer
ADA: I will ask if again, please answer like I want.
Defense: crickets
Kyle: answer
ADA: I will ask it another way
Kyle: same answer
ADA: I will ask if again, please answer like I want.
Defense: crickets
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:44 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:
That wasn't Really what he said. He said he didn't know how far away he could hit targets from. I took that to mean he didn't know it's maximum range
That's what it sounded like to me. 90% of the military can't tell you the max effective range of an M4.
Some of the odd questions may have been due to the prosecutor being completely ignorant about firearms. He probably read about an AR hitting a target at 500 yards and thought that meant it wasn't suitable for CQB.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:52 pm to TDTOM
quote:
Defense: crickets
The jury sees how inept the prosecution is. The defense shouldn't get in the way of them destroying themselves like that. Plus, if the objections wouldn't really amount to anything significant other than just getting jabs in at the prosecutor, and perhaps the judge chooses to order the jury to exit each time there's a defense objection and the jury doesn't get to hear what it's all about, that's a trap for the defense that could end up hurting them. Not objecting to each and every objectionable thing and reserving it for only the most significant circumstances is a sign of a very mature attorney, even if it doesn't seem as such at first glance.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:54 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:
Tucker talking about Biden calling Kyle a white supremacist, I hope Kyle sues that dumb bastard and hope it’s in the media.
The guy who killed two white people and permanently maimed another is a white supremacist?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:55 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
mmcgrath
Everybody knows what your problem with Kyle Rittenhouse is.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:55 pm to davyjones
Maybe so, but if you are going to put the defendant on the chair you should protect him. I am not a lawyer and it seems you may be. However, it seemed like Kyle was getting badgered and was uncomfortable. Hell, even the judge stepped in a few times.
ETA: I understand letting the prosecution hang themselves, but not when the defendant is on the chair.
ETA: I understand letting the prosecution hang themselves, but not when the defendant is on the chair.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:58 pm to Flats
Prosecutor was clearly trying to make a point that he was using long(er) range defense options than required in that situation. I think the implication was that KR was reckless and could have shot innocent bystanders that would have been safer had he used a pistol and hollow points. The judge shut that tf down before he ever got there though.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:00 pm to TDTOM
Prosecutors thought they were going to railroad a white supremacist but instead they ran into a Boy Scout. That’s what happens when the DA charges a person, 48 hours after an incident, without a proper investigation
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:04 pm to Vacherie Saint
A pistol would have been far better in the situations Kyle was in.
However, those carrying AR's, and there were more than just Kyle, were doing so for deterrence. A pistol concealed at your lower back like Unicep had does nothing for deterrence as no sees it.
However, those carrying AR's, and there were more than just Kyle, were doing so for deterrence. A pistol concealed at your lower back like Unicep had does nothing for deterrence as no sees it.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:04 pm to Vacherie Saint
an important take away is the huge amount of damage done to the dudes arm. you do not often see the amount of damage a high velocity round, even as small as the 223, can do.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:06 pm to Bourre
quote:
Prosecutors thought they were going to railroad a white supremacist but instead they ran into a Boy Scout. That’s what happens when the DA charges a person, 48 hours after an incident, without a proper investigation
The investigator saying that they had not completed their investigation was a nice admission.
Along with never even attempting to collect the skateboard and the ADA telling him to not serve the subpoena on Unicep's phone.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:12 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
A pistol would have been far better in the situations Kyle was in.
His rifle was the IDEAL weapon for this application. When facing a potential mob swarm, those 30 rounds come in handy. He fired 7 or 8 rounds that night. A pocket carry pistol or revolver would have left him completely undefended as he made his way to the police. He likely misses several times with a pistol as well, making the extra rounds invaluable.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:12 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:and they failed to produce zaminskis pistol.
Along with never even attempting to collect the skateboard and the ADA telling him to not serve the subpoena on Unicep's phone.
It's almost like there's a pattern here by the prosecution
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:12 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
The investigator saying that they had not completed their investigation was a nice admission.
Along with never even attempting to collect the skateboard and the ADA telling him to not serve the subpoena on Unicep's phone.
I can't tell if the ADA is more retarded than corrupt, or the other way around. It's probably the biggest remaining determination to be made in the whole trial.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:12 pm to TDTOM
quote:
Maybe so, but if you are going to put the defendant on the chair you should protect him. I am not a lawyer and it seems you may be. However, it seemed like Kyle was getting badgered and was uncomfortable. Hell, even the judge stepped in a few times.
ETA: I understand letting the prosecution hang themselves, but not when the defendant is on the chair.
Defense counsel probably could've jumped in there a couple or few times with objections of asked/answered or badgering in the most outrageous of instances, but the crazy thing about it is that the prosecutor really put everyone in a very peculiar situation by his entire cross examination essentially being objectionable for one reason or another. So I can see where defense counsel was maybe thinking "where do I even start?" Defense had to significantly relax what would perhaps be "typical" objection practices just to enable the trial to keep moving forward.
That damn prosecutor is just an alien it seems. His mere existence is shocking.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:16 pm to davyjones
The only thing I can see is that the defense didn’t want to over object and appear to be antagonists. The prosecutor was coming off like a real arse and they were content to allow him to continue that.
They obviously had tremendous faith in their witness.
They obviously had tremendous faith in their witness.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:17 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
A pistol concealed at your lower back like Unicep had does nothing for deterrence as no sees it.
deterrence
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