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re: LA moving toward closed primaries
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:28 pm to doubleb
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:28 pm to doubleb
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EWE passed the jungle primary to help the Dems.
At a time when the state was significantly to the left of where it is today, and to try to keep republicans out of the runoff.
EWE would beg for a closed primary in 2024. Especially for house races.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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In 2015, no one in their right mind would have called JBE a prominent white Dem. He was a relatively unknown legislator. Most of the Dem party told him not to run. He had ZERO outside money for the primary.
JBE had a lot if the big money guys backing him. He had the Sheriffs. The blacks were behind him too.
But let’s say he was a mediocre candidate then that is even worse fir our side. We can’t beat any old white Dem in the general if that’s the case.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:54 am to doubleb
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JBE had a lot if the big money guys backing him. He had the Sheriffs. The blacks were behind him too.
Almost all of that happened after he made the runoff.
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But let’s say he was a mediocre candidate then that is even worse fir our side. We can’t beat any old white Dem in the general if that’s the case.
If that's what you think (not totally sure I agree, I think the candidate matters, but I get your point) then wouldn't you want an open primary to try to see if we can get two GOPers in the runoff... or... try to win it on the first ballot like Landry did?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:27 am to LSUFanHouston
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If that's what you think (not totally sure I agree, I think the candidate matters, but I get your point) then wouldn't you want an open primary to try to see if we can get two GOPers in the runoff... or... try to win it on the first ballot like Landry did?
We have never had two Republicans make the General Election, but we had two Democrats make it. Edwards/Roemer
We have had threeRepublicans (Landry, Jindal twice and Foster) win it on the first try. One Dem. (Edwards).
Btw, Blanco got only 18% in the primary, but came in second. Big money got behind her and she beat Jindal. Don’t tell me that Republicans don’t have problems besting white Dems in the General because they do,
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:43 am to LSUFanHouston
Advocate reports some La senators are gutting his bill and its not going to sail as is through the leggy
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:33 pm to 31TIGERS
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Most “public” want closed primaries.
Thought you would want to see this quote.
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“In terms of closed primaries, it’s been a goal for many that gained traction under the leadership of Gov. Landry and now was the time to act,” House Speaker Phillip DeVillier, R-Eunice, said in a statement Friday. “With this session complete, all of our energy can now be directed towards the priorities that are important to our constituents.”
Now maybe the good Speaker "misspoke", but it sure sounds like said that the constituents don't care about this, and now they can turn their attention to what they do care about.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:35 pm to doubleb
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there are pluses to having closed primaries.
Like what? You haven’t named one.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:37 pm to doubleb
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Republicans need to push a system that helps the Republican Party.
Name that system and I’ll support it.
Your only argument in favor of this is “well we don’t KNOW that Abraham’s voters would have stayed home after a closed primary”
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:38 pm to doubleb
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We can’t beat any old white Dem in the general if that’s the case.
Sweet. There are a handful-at most- prominent white Democrats left in the state. Who are you concerned about, exactly?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:21 pm to bilblues
I just don’t believe it is possible for there to be independents anymore. You can claim it all day but 85% of the time or more you are on the same side as one party
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:53 pm to Indefatigable
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We can’t beat any old white Dem in the general if that’s the case. Sweet. There are a handful-at most- prominent white Democrats left in the state.
Who are you concerned about, exactly?
I’m talking long term, not today.
Were you afraid of Blanco, or Jon Bel?
I wasn’t, but I understand what the good old boy network, the sheriffs and the blacks all pulling together can do. When they get behind a white candidate they have a pretty good record.
Besides the Republican Party in La. needs to become the number ones party. They need to grow their ranks. Closed primaries will do this.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:56 pm to Indefatigable
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Your only argument in favor of this is “well we don’t KNOW that Abraham’s voters would have stayed home after a closed primary”
Your only argument is Landry win in the primary so let’s not look at options.
I’ve shown that historically it hasn’t been all you think it is. Dems can win and win often.
Landry supports closed primaries too. Has ge said why? He needs to.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:59 pm to doubleb
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Besides the Republican Party in La. needs to become the number ones party. They need to grow their ranks. Closed primaries will do this.
Screw that. They should grow their ranks by showing they can make Louisiana better, not rigging the system.
And how much more support do they need? They have the governorship and 2/3rds control of both chambers. They need to stop screwing around and work on actual problems: crime, literacy, taxes, the constitution, out migration.
This was a stupid distraction that nobody campaigned on, and because he owed the party a favor for an early endorsement he tried to ram it through a legislature that didn't want it.
Fix problems ==> gain support
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:19 pm to BigJim
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Fix problems ==> gain support
I gave you your first up vote. You nailed it.
But I have been a proponent of closed primaries for a long time, but right now this is a distraction.
Republicans need to do better. If not we will be squandering a great opportunity.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:55 pm to doubleb
W00t!
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:23 am to LSUFanHouston
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what they do care about.
Like constitutional carry
Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:54 am to MsState of mind
quote:What does how a person usually votes mean the same as forcing that person to join a political party in order to be able to vote? Very Soviet of you, Comrade.
I just don’t believe it is possible for there to be independents anymore. You can claim it all day but 85% of the time or more you are on the same side as one party
Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:39 am to doubleb
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Your only argument is Landry win in the primary so let’s not look at options.
No, my argument is that closed primaries unequivocally make it more likely that Democrats are elected to statewide office by guaranteeing a Democrat a spot in the general election.
Closed primaries do nothing to counter the effects of sour grapes within the GOP, which is what causes those Democrats to be elected that you keep referring to. Nothing at all.
The reason you keep citing to support closed primaries makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
The LAGOP wants closed primaries so it can gatekeep and clear the field for its shitty candidates.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:30 am to Indefatigable
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The reason you keep citing to support closed primaries makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It absolutely guanrantees that thw DIMs will elect the most liberal candidate to run in the general
If it werent for soured repubs, indies, and suburban wine moms, JBE likely doesnt even make the general. Those types dont get to vote in a DIM primary.
That guv race would have come down to Vitter vs a Kip Holden, Cleo Fields, Shawn Wilson, Troy Carter, or Cedric Richmond clone
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:40 am to kingbob
The closed primary system in the 50’s-60’s resulted in greatly increased registration for Democrats, so that people could cast a ballot that mattered in statewide elections. Republicans would Register as Democrat in order to vote in the primary. At that time, the Democratic Party was strong.
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