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re: Letter from FDA to physicians on acetaminophen use
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:02 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:02 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Except that the correlation disappeared when confounding variables were controlled and they were sibling controls. That is the conflicting research that they magically left out yesterday.
The FDA cited the two studies that prove correlation.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Trump should have never been in front of the microphone
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LSUTANGERINE
Ironic.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:03 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Be aware of the issue, minimize using it, all of that sounds very much like what I said - don’t use the shite unless you have to.
Its not the minimizing part that was the leap. It was this part which you conveniently ignored:
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mounting evidence it creates more issues than it solves.
Firstly, the FDA statement is very clear that there is no causative (aka "it creates") evidence out there. And at best, the correlation is supported by some studies and refuted by others.
So yeah, saying there is a "mounting evidence it creates" anything is a major leap. Rest and ice those hammys.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
If the pregnant woman has a fever, why isn’t the only prescription more cowbell?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Hey slapdick…..I know you love yourself……and your medical grind…..but what’s difficult to understand about if you don’t need it don’t take it and avoid long term use because there could be a correlation? It’s not like a pharma rep with her arse hanging out hasn’t fed y’all some bad information before…..lol
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:05 pm to CAD703X
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except, you know, the official Tylenol X account tweeting 7 years ago WE DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY OF OUR PRODUCTS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN i guess tylenol doesn't understand the science either.
Most medicines are not recommended for pregnant women. That’s nothing new.
As usual, RFK latched onto some inadequately controlled research that could not be replicated, and where the results disappeared when more rigorous research was done.
I am sure more research will be done on this area and that is a good thing
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Trump should have never been in front of the microphone
You should have thought more about your post.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:07 pm to SammyTiger
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Tylenol MAYBE causes autism, but also fever definitely is bad for pregnancies and so are other medications to control fever.
Okay.
Tylenol is used as a fever reducer.
It is ALSO used for headaches, muscle aches and other pain.
Not picking on you specifically, but boiling it down to a "fever" issue is disingenuous.
Also, FDA just said short term fevers aren't necessarily bad.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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LSUTANGERINE
Make sure the women in your lineage take a lot of Tylenol while pregnant.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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But, you know very well there is no way to do gold standard, placebo-controlled studies on this sort of thing.
Of course, and this was my point to 808 in a different thread.
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"Hey, there appears to be a correlation. Let's make it a standard recommendation to avoid" and see if the trends go down. I know that's not "science", but it isn't unreasonable, either.
No, depending on the phrasing. I would rephrase what you said to "there MAY be a correlation" bc my understanding is there are alot of studies that refute this correlation.
If you are asking if its a smart general rule of thumb to not have your pregnant wife take anything unless it is clear she absolutely needs it? Of course I'm with that. But overstating how "bad" something is when you have a major platform could have really detrimental effects at the population level.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:08 pm to BBONDS25
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The FDA cited the two studies that prove correlation.
Yes, they did. But they failed to cite or even mention follow up research that was more rigorous and which controlled for confounding variables and had sibling and controls that showed NO correlation. The follow up research was more rigorous and the results disappeared. The original research led to “better, more controlled“ research. The results could not be replicated. They conveniently left that research out.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:09 pm to CAD703X
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except, you know, the official Tylenol X account tweeting 7 years ago WE DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY OF OUR PRODUCTS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN
Its crazy how much scientific weight you guys are putting behind this one tweet, but ignoring actual scientific studies.
But definitely not surprising though.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:from his grave?
As usual, JFK latched onto some inadequately controlled research
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:11 pm to BBONDS25
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The FDA cited the two studies that prove correlation.
And if there are other studies that "prove" no correlation, how will you decide which studies to believe?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:12 pm to Old Character
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Hey slapdick…..I know you love yourself
If you don't love yourself, you should see a therapist
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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If you are asking if its a smart general rule of thumb to not have your pregnant wife take anything unless it is clear she absolutely needs it?
I don't disagree this could have been a better lead and maybe highlight the research around Tylenol (and other OTC pain - we tend to think of these things as harmless, but of course they're not) and point out just how vulnerable a developing child's brain is.
But the perfect is the enemy of the good.
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But overstating how "bad" something is when you have a major platform could have really detrimental effects at the population level.
Meh. Like the man said, "There is no downside." Probably too strong, but way closer to the truth than, "There is no risk in taking these."
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
The reason you libs love acetomenophen so much is because it sounds like your other favorite thing, antisemitism
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:14 pm to SallysHuman
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Okay.
Tylenol is used as a fever reducer.
It is ALSO used for headaches, muscle aches and other pain.
Well let's talk about the alternative.
After your exhaustive review of the literature, what do you think is safer during pregnancy for those "headaches, muscle aches, and other pain": acetaminophen or ibuprofen?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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The FDA cited the two studies that prove correlation. And if there are other studies that "prove" no correlation, how will you decide which studies to believe?
Err on the side of caution.
Which is EXACTLY was is being recommended.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:16 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Well let's talk about the alternative. After your exhaustive review of the literature, what do you think is safer during pregnancy for those "headaches, muscle aches, and other pain": acetaminophen or ibuprofen?
Basically toughing it out, compresses, massage... you surely know other otc pain relievers are also not recommended for use in pregnancy.
Nice try at the gotcha.
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