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re: Louisiana HB131 - Constitutional Carry
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:14 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:14 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Wanting permitless concealed carry without safety training is not going to pass through the legislature. McCormick knows it but doesn’t give a shite.
That sounds good and all, BUT.
And here’s the real reason.
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Sen. Luneau (Democrat) proposed … and State Police to maintain a list of people who have completed the course and maintain a website portal for the online handgun education course
Every free man wants to be on a state police list, NOT!
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:15 pm to Gaspergou202
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Every free man wants to be on a state police list, NOT!
Everyone who legally purchases a gun is already on the list. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:18 pm to Indefatigable
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Everyone who legally purchases a gun is already on the list. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise.
If you are an adult I can legally sell you a gun, and you will not be on a list!
Who’s the idiot?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:19 pm to Gaspergou202
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If you are an adult I can legally sell you a gun, and you will not be on a list!
Someone bought the gun from a store or manufacturer. That transaction and buyer are absolutely in a database.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:19 pm to senshado
This shite is so stupid. Pass the bill as is or don’t.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:23 pm to Gaspergou202
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Sen. Luneau (Democrat) proposed … and State Police to maintain a list of people who have completed the course and maintain a website portal for the online handgun education course
Gun registries are against the law - even defacto ones
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:24 pm to Gaspergou202
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Every free man wants to be on a state police list, NOT!
Well, if you’re abiding by the law (and not being a felon in possession of a firearm or illegally carrying weapons - both gun restrictions), this wouldn’t bother you. The purpose of the list is to ensure that you’re one of the people who completed training to conceal your firearm (that separates the law abiding folks from the criminals). People who are law abiding would actually support this, because it could be used as a tool to get guns out of the hands of criminals.
It’s kind of how we use sex offender registries to separate the sex offenders (criminals) from the non-sex offenders (law abiding citizens).
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:25 pm to Indefatigable
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Someone bought the gun from a store or manufacturer. That transaction and buyer are absolutely in a database.
And the police can knock on the original gun purchaser’s door and ask about it, but who’s to say they remember, wish to cooperate, or the gun has not been private party sold ten more times.
Most guns are not registered. Rifles, shotguns, pre- registration pistols, private sale pistols, inherited fire arms, and even some hand made fire arms.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:27 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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People who are law abiding would actually support this, because it could be used as a tool to get guns out of the hands of criminals.
False, criminals do what they want.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:27 pm to Gaspergou202
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And the police can knock on the original gun purchaser’s door and ask about it, but who’s to say they remember, wish to cooperate, or the gun has not been private party sold ten more times.
Most guns are not registered. Rifles, shotguns, pre- registration pistols, private sale pistols, inherited fire arms, and even some hand made fire arms.
That's fine if you believe that. You may be right, so long as you've never discussed the gun or used it within range of any electronic device for the last twenty years.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:28 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Gun registries are against the law.
The amendment isn’t a gun registry. It’s a list that shows you completed a course on gun safety. Those are two totally different things.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:30 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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The amendment isn’t a gun registry. It’s a list that shows you completed a course on gun safety. Those are two totally different things.
This board believes that the Second Amendment is the only facet of US constitutional law that doesn't come with reasonable restrictions. You're wasting your time.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:30 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Well, if you’re abiding by the law (and not being a felon in possession of a firearm or illegally carrying weapons), this wouldn’t bother you.
It’s called privacy, freedom, and the constitution.
Would you let me search your home or car as long as you have nothing to hide?
Men died to give you your full constitutional rights! Don’t give them away just to feel good.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:31 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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It’s kind of weird to say that you don’t want to hurt law abiding gun owners and then get pissed off if the law (prescribed by the legislature, controlled by Republican supermajorities in both chambers) wants to ensure that you know how to handle a gun, how to properly clean it and use it., and that the state knows that you’ve done it by you completing an online course
If you think completing an online safety course is going to accomplish this, then I’ve got ocean front property in Shreveport that you may be interested in purchasing.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:34 pm to Indefatigable
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or used it within range of any electronic device for the last twenty years
what are you even implying with this?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:35 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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wants to ensure that you know how to handle a gun, how to properly clean it and use it., and that the state knows that you’ve done it by you completing an online course.
Ok, Fudd.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:38 pm to Gaspergou202
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Would you let me search your home or car as long as you have nothing to hide?
Nope. However, there are exceptions that federal constitutional law provides relative to search and seizure. I know those exceptions, the level of scrutiny applied to them, and that no one constitutional amendment is absolute and not subject to reasonable restrictions.
… and believe it or not, I am a gun owner, I hunt, and I go to the range (and support anyone who wants to do all of these things wholeheartedly).
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:39 pm to Pezzo
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what are you even implying with this?
That the government already knows everything about you, including everything you've ever purchased and anything you've said within range of a microphone since the NSA started collecting such data in the 2000's.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:39 pm to Indefatigable
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This board believes that the Second Amendment is the only facet of US constitutional law that doesn't come with reasonable restrictions. You're wasting your time.
Well that’s not true. Age restrictions at 18 adulthood are legal. Although I owned my first shotgun at 13.
And convicted felons can be barred for life.
And if you are legally proven to be mentally incompetent, psychologically dangerous, or a real threat to someone in a court of law with full legal appeal you can be barred.
Why would you accept any restrictions to your constitutional rights without individual judicial review.
You would let the police search your domicile without a warrant? The 4th is also important.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:39 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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wants to ensure that you know how to handle a gun, how to properly clean it and use it., and that the state knows that you’ve done it by you completing an online course.
A carry class is primarily designed to make sure some one knows how to safely carry a gun. These are not classes on cleaning, care nor self defense proficiency. I've actually met a ccw holder who didn't know what a center hold was at all.
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