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re: Mass Shooting in Jacksonville
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:09 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:09 pm to beerJeep
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So, as a whole, would Europe be a more pedestrian friendly and mass transit friendly, or would it be more personal vehicle friendly?
This is irrelevant. Per vehicle, per capita. No matter what metric you want to use to put things on an even playing field, it's clear.
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Obviously you knew that was a saying.
Don't use stupid sayings if you're trying to explain something.
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So why would a criminal just decide oh it’s against the law to own a gun.
You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting making guns illegal.
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You want to keep innocents alive? Second hand smoke kills more people than guns do every year. What about them? They’re innocent. They die from cigs just the same.
Whatabout-ism that doesn't really deserve or require a response.
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Because people just started killing people once guns were invented.
False equivalence.
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No, it means taking away innocent people’s ability to defend themselves.
Lowering supply doesn't involve taking away anyones gun.
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Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:20 pm to LSUconvert
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Lowering supply doesn't involve taking away anyones gun.
Math is hard.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:52 pm to LSUconvert
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Don't we have to prove our lack of idiocy with a driving test?
So you want to make mass killers more proficient at killing?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:58 pm to LSUconvert
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This is irrelevant. Per vehicle, per capita. No matter what metric you want to use to put things on an even playing field, it's clear.
How is it irrelevant? They have less of a driving culture in Europe than in America. It’s a fact. Here, every Tom dick and harry drives. In Europe that isn’t so.
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Don't use stupid sayings if you're trying to explain something.
I’m failing to see how “a lock keeps an honest man out” is a stupid saying. It’s cut and dry. A lock (laws) only stop law abiding citizens from breaking in.
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You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting making guns illegal.
Yeah I am. You want less firearms. That means less law abiding citizens being able to protect themselves from harm.
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Whatabout-ism that doesn't really deserve or require a response.
Saving innocent lives is saving innocent lives
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False equivalence.
Not at all.
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Lowering supply doesn't involve taking away anyones gun.
So..... how do you lower the supply of guns that are already owned?
Dumb. You really are dumb.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:09 pm to blowmeauburn
Not sure how Bennys Steak house stays in business but..if its any indication of the quality of the landing...the only other place that has lasted in the Landing is Hooters
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:44 pm to LSUconvert
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It is being made clear that arming every mentally unstable idiot isn't accomplishing that.
So are we arming mentally unstable people in this country regularly? If I’m not mistaken it’s illegal to fill out a 4473 if you have been adjudicated mantally, by that I mean it’s a crime in itself. But keep pushing your lies dawg.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:54 pm to Jorts R Us
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Thoughts and prayers for Duval.
Pretty pathetic this was downvoted.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:02 pm to LSUconvert
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The innocent citizens who were shot today were law abiding citizens. Seems like they got fricked over pretty hard.
Absolutely hilarious. I didn’t think it would happen so soon. But I knew it would happen. The libs would show up with circular logic after a gun crime.
You idiots have spent a week saying that illegal immigration cannot be blamed for another illegal alien killing an innocent. You said “murder happens ever day!” Yep.. but that one, Kate Stienle’s, and a multitude of others not on the nightly news doesn’t.
If we could only prevent one? Remember?
Now you are back to blaming gun owners. The exact circular logic you use to defend illegal aliens....you flip to condemn law aiding gun owners.
Perfect example of how it’s meaningless to try to have a logical conversation with estrogen filled liberals.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:41 pm to Seldom Seen
They are shooting up Fla. for a reason.......
Could it be to fire up all the Snowflakes to go vote out the Republicans in Congress and set up Fla. to vote Democratic in 2020 with its large amount of electoral votes?
These Deep State SOB’s are pure evil.......
Could it be to fire up all the Snowflakes to go vote out the Republicans in Congress and set up Fla. to vote Democratic in 2020 with its large amount of electoral votes?
These Deep State SOB’s are pure evil.......
Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:27 am to LSUvet72
You may be onto something......
Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:45 am to LSUconvert
quote:This strategy has worked soooo well for marijuana and opiates...
Decrease supply.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:40 am to beerJeep
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So frick over law abiding citizens?
Know what will end vehicular deaths? If we ban cars. You don’t need to go 70mph. Speed of a horse suited humans just fine for centuries
Vehicle safety ain’t exactly an argument against regulation. Regulating safety features in vehicles has drastically reduced deaths. I know most of y’all think the market fix is better......a fix that is nonexistent......but regulation does work.
Horses suited people because there weren’t any options. As soon as there were technological advances people other than fools with very little sense abandoned horses like a used condom. Again, not a great argument in support of an idea that manifested itself at the time of the founding of the US.
Sensible regulation of gun ownership would, like air bag and seat belt regulations, reduce deaths related to firearms. A real background check conducted at the expense of the buyer, mandatory of any purchase from a licensed dealer and optional in the case of private sales with the caveat that should the privately sold weapon be used in a crime or in an accidental shooting the seller who chose not to transfer title to it by requiring a background check be subject to liability, both criminal and civil.
Make it a SERIOUS crime if a gun I own is not stored properly and is used accidentally to end someone’s life.
We already have accepted that our right to own and bare weapons without impediment doesn’t mean that right can’t be impeded by regulation. Gun lovers are all over concealed carry permits.....which means they have accepted regulation of who can bare arms.....making it illegal to do so in a certain manner defined by regulation. Open carry is another example. So are serial numbers, altering weapons regulations....who can commercially sale guns.....the right is impeded and we have accepted sensible regulations just like we do the sensible regulation represented by stop signs.
There are safety features and technological advances that could make the public safer from crazy motherfrickers bent on killing as many people as possible. Air bags in vehicles were unthinkable 30 years ago....now they are everywhere saving lives. There was some pushback....they made vehicles more expensive, even cause deaths in very rare instances....but overall the benefits outweigh the risks.
What there wasn’t is a very small number of people who support a very vocal lobbying organization that is a marketing firm for vehicles without airbags. That’s why anytime any sort of gun regulation is discussed that small number of people come out whining about
our inability to do anything at all other than arm every man, woman and child. Don’t laugh....watch Borats show where GOPers are supporting arming 4 year olds.
A real background check and titling....yes, registering, guns will immediately decrease gun violence in the same way it isn’t practical to use a vehicle as a weapon.
Guns are necessary as are cars. They are tools that make law abiding, capable adults more productive and safer....much safer to drive across the state than walk. We already accept sensible regulation of both because we realize the practicality of a stop sign over the markets answer. There are lobbying groups on both sides who make a lot of money ginning up fear. One side has won almost every time but it is unsustainable in an era where information is readily available and thuerefore mass shootings seemingly more prevalent. The gun lobby is going to lose eventually because of the idea that nothing outside of arming every man woman and child can be done. The NRA is nearly broke right now. Over reach is coming because of the NRA.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:45 am to germandawg
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yes, registering, guns will immediately decrease gun violence in the same way it isn’t practical to use a vehicle as a weapon.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:46 am to germandawg
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real background check and titling....yes, registering, guns will immediately decrease gun violence in the same way it isn’t practical to use a vehicle as a weapon.
Holee cow!
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:53 am to germandawg
You wrote that entire essay on the same flawed argument. Every time someone tries to equate car ownership with gun ownership.
Go ahead.. tell us the difference in car ownership and gun ownership. If you work to find out yourself, maybe you will not make the mistake in the future.
Go ahead.. tell us the difference in car ownership and gun ownership. If you work to find out yourself, maybe you will not make the mistake in the future.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:58 am to civiltiger07
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So are we arming mentally unstable people in this country regularly? If I’m not mistaken it’s illegal to fill out a 4473 if you have been adjudicated mantally, by that I mean it’s a crime in itself. But keep pushing your lies dawg.
I seriously do not know the answer to this but....if I am a licensed dealer and I sale to an individual who falsifies a 4473 am I subject to any liability? I shouldn’t be...but am I?
The liability should fall to whatever entity does the background check. The responsibility to the public that everything possible is done to ensure the purchaser is not lying should fall on whoever does the background investigation. Every time a buyer lies and buys a gun there should be an investigation conducted and these investigations, and background checks should be paid for by the consumer, not the taxpayer.
It’s also very possible to buy a gun without a background check. If I sale a gun to an individual without a background check and that gun is used in a crime I should be liable
as a licensed dealer would be. I don’t know how licensed dealers haven’t insisted on this if for no other reason than leveling the market. I don’t think this should me mandated. I actually think it should be voluntary for licensed dealers and individuals alike with the understanding that should either choose not to do a THOROUGH background check they are criminally negligent should the weapon they sold be used in a crime.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:07 am to LSUconvert
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Don't we have to prove our lack of idiocy with a driving test?
I'd be fully on board with stricter testing for drivers. I think that would go a long way, just look at European models and their lack of vehicular deaths.
We should go further than that if you think driving test should be stricter, we should have stricter laws on procreation. Hell that would solve our gun issues and shitty drivers.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:07 am to CleverUserName
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You wrote that entire essay on the same flawed argument. Every time someone tries to equate car ownership with gun ownership.
Go ahead.. tell us the difference in car ownership and gun ownership. If you work to find out yourself, maybe you will not make the mistake in the future.
I don’t have to work to do do....I have a title to a vehicle. If that vehicle is used in a crime or an accident and it’s title is still in my name and I am negligent...say I leave the keys in the switch...I may be liable for damages. I can buy a gun, leave it on a park bench and there is no way to trace it back to me in some cases.
Licensed dealers are required to do a background check to sale a gun. Vehicles have to be registered with the state. An individual can sale a gun or have one stolen or lost without any ramification whatsoever if that gun is used to commit a crime. Sensible people see the problem with that situation the same way we see the sensibility in a stop sign. Eventually sensibility will win out over emotional arguments about tyrannical givernments. When it does there will be over reach because of those emotional arguments on both sides.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:09 am to Seldom Seen
wonder if this guy posted here, was found of calling people "Trumptards"
sounds familiar
sounds familiar
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:10 am to germandawg
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check to sale a gun.
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An individual can sale a gun
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about tyrannical givernments.
Sale a gun.
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