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re: Mohammad Ali a draft dodger?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:37 am to Vecchio Cane
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:37 am to Vecchio Cane
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Anyone who could treat Joe Frazier the way he did, after Frazier risked his own career to give Ali a shot and get him back in boxing. That's a person with no honor.
This is beyond stupid. I guess Frazier never got paid for that match, did he?
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:40 am to BamaGradinTn
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This is beyond stupid. I guess Frazier never got paid for that match, did he?
Frazier had it all. He GAVE Ali his career back, and Ali responded by calling him unforgivable names and painting him as an Uncle Tom to the public. Joe Freaking Frazier, who actually did rise up from a sharecropper family and earned everything with his fists and not his mouth. Ali portrayed him as a traitor to his race, just to promote himself. No honor. No respect.
Don't take my word for it, go read about Joe Frazier's feelings on the subject
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:46 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:41 am to Homesick Tiger
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I just don't understand how a man espouses peace yet gets enjoyment of beating on another man with his fists. There is definitely a thread of violence somewhere in his soul, imo.
Jesus fricking Christ. You're an LSU football fan. You don't think football is violent and brutal? You may not be hitting someone with your fists, but you're still trying to hit the other person as violently as you can, getting as close to the edge of the rules as you can.
None of us are so fricking stupid as to think you don't enjoy watching a brutal hit on the football field as much as the rest of us.
Idiot.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:43 am to Vecchio Cane
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This is beyond stupid. I guess Frazier never got paid for that match, did he?
Frazier had it all. He GAVE Ali his career back, and Ali responded by calling him unforgivable names. Don't take my word for it, go read about Joe Frazier's feelings on the subject
Once again, and let me ask it a little more clearly: Did Frazier get paid a fricking shitload of money? Yes or no. I don't give a shite about some wealthy athlete's "feelings".
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:47 am to BamaGradinTn
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Did Frazier get paid a fricking shitload of money? Yes or no
What does this strawman have to do with Ali's character?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:49 am to Wolfhound45
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This. And he served prison time for his beliefs as suffered monetary loss and had professional setbacks due to his stand. He paid for his beliefs. Unlike many others.
I was not sure why I got down voted for my initial comment that he was conscientious objector ,but you are correct unlike others who went to Canada he faced the music for his beliefs. Like it or hate it you at least have to respect the man ,because he was not a coward. Personally I hate the draft ,and I really hate making someone serve against their will.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:20 am to stelly1025
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was not sure why I got down voted for my initial comment that he was conscientious objector
I need to add that Ali's stance on the draft is what I admired most about him. I don't agree with him but he did sacrifice a LOT and never waivered. I don't know what his ultimate reasons were, but he stood by them at great cost
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:54 am to GeorgePaton
Joe Louis > Ali
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:00 am to TheHarper
He didnt "dodge".
He was a man about it.
Trump was a draft dodger.
Ali publicly refused to kill brown people at the behest of white people.
Trump never admitted he was hiding from the action.
He was a man about it.
Trump was a draft dodger.
Ali publicly refused to kill brown people at the behest of white people.
Trump never admitted he was hiding from the action.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:03 am to stelly1025
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got down voted for my initial comment that he was conscientious objector
posters let you know that they object to other people having conviction.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:04 am to CelticDog
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refused to kill brown people at the behest of white people.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:05 am to TheHarper
My dad refused to call him Mohammad Ali.
He always we t with Casius Clay.
He always we t with Casius Clay.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:11 am to Homesick Tiger
Cassius Clay was a good looking young man, poorly educated, who made millions of dollars for his handlers and promoters. The money men knew they had a gold mine. Fighters that went fifteen rounds with Ali, only lasted a few rounds with Foreman. Liston admitted that he took a dive. $$$
Foreman in Zaire???? After that fight, Foreman was ridiculed and destroyed by the same folks getting rich off Ali.
"Requiem For a Heavyweight" in real life.
As a young man I loved Boxing. Its as phony as the Saints/Rams no call last season.
Foreman in Zaire???? After that fight, Foreman was ridiculed and destroyed by the same folks getting rich off Ali.
"Requiem For a Heavyweight" in real life.
As a young man I loved Boxing. Its as phony as the Saints/Rams no call last season.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:41 am to ChineseBandit58
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his objection to the war on the basis of not wanting to kill.
so... not really a muslim.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:48 am to TheHarper
His best quote from that time period:
'I pay enough taxes from my fights to pay for a tank.'
'I pay enough taxes from my fights to pay for a tank.'
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:50 am to TheHarper
He was, but he was also the greatest boxer ever, so.....
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:00 am to TheHarper
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It was Muhammad Ali who first described the Vietnam-era draft as “white people sending black people to fight yellow people to protect the country they stole from the red people.” He said no to the draft, refused to step forward to accept the legitimacy of the coerced registration, and was convicted of felony draft resistance. Even though he faced years in prison, he insisted, “Man, I ain’t got no quarrel with them Vietcong.”
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Not least, Ali’s initial resistance to the draft led to his being excluded from professional boxing for years. Yet the boxer and the anti-war and anti-racism movements he was a part of continued their work. And Ali’s own presence, principles, and influence was such that in later years the tributes poured in — including his memorable lighting of the Olympic flame at the otherwise corporate-controlled, ultra-establishment 1996 Atlanta games.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:01 am to Homesick Tiger
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Well that's what a lot of people had trouble wrapping their heads around - he espoused he didn't believe in killing but he had no problem beating your arse to a pulp in a boxing ring.
Ali never claimed to be a pacifist. He claimed that, as a minister of islam, he would only go to war if commanded by allah.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:02 am to TheHarper
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a draft dodger?
oh, are we against that now?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:08 am to Green Chili Tiger
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He claimed that, as a minister of islam, he would only go to war if commanded by allah.
r.e., I'll switch religions so I have a legitimate leg to stand on and reasoning for dodging the draft, in my own mind. How convenient huh?
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