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re: My battle with covid
Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
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We know that vaccines are greatly reducing severity - that's across millions of vaccines.
The point is there may be more to learn about the vaccines than what is fundamentally known today. Yes, there's compelling evidence that the vaccines reduce severity for a time, and in particular for certain segments of the population. But do we know, as in based in actual science, that the vaccines don't mute/stunt a healthy/fit 35 yos response to Covid or a variant a couple years down the road? Is there legit reason to consider that an open question?
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Why would you assume that a breakthrough case is worse BECAUSE he was vaxxed?
I'm not assuming that. I'm suggesting you shouldn't assume your opinion is fact, either.
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I think best combo is nat and then vax. That should be almost bulletproof.
Curious about evidence that this is the case.
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:44 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:You probably waited too late. These should be given in the first two days of symptoms.
I’ve taken the monoclonal antibodies
quote:O2 Sat was 66 or your PaO2 was 66? If you Sat was 66, you PaO2 would have been 40 + or - depending on pH.
My oxygen levels dropped to 66
You were sick as spit.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:48 pm to touchdownjeebus
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im sharing my story to validate concerns of those not vaxxed and to share with those that are vaxxed that it does not offer perfect or maybe any protection. I think its important that we be polite and debate with decency since the government is using scare tactics and political bullying, and that shite isn't going to help anyone.
Yes, it's appreciated.
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got the monoclonals on day 10.
So, by the book, this is probably late and not unexpected that it wasn't very effective.
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last vaccine was 13 September
This is a huge point. The vaccine at only a month old was supposed to be extremely protective. I assumed you were going to say you were getting towards the 6 month mark. Which vaccine did you get?
Hang in there. Definitely let us know if you make a turn for the better.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:54 pm to CivilTiger83
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which is odd considering one of the treatments is a type of steroid.
"Steroid" is an insanely broad term that encompasses a lot of dissonant things.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 2:54 pm to Hopeful Doc
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ETA- I’m not your downvote FWIW
No worries. That's definitely something I have robust immunity for. It's kind of funny how sensitive people are about DVs on an anonymous message board. Anyway, I appreciate your response.
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Not really. Generally speaking, most of the “breakthrough” cases are in the at-risk who got vaccinated first, thus the recommendation for a booster in the at risk after a period of time. We still don’t see a ton of cases in the folks from about a week or two out from vaccination and before that 6-8 month mark at all, much less severe ones. We all tend to agree that the severity of cases in the vaccinated population is, on average, significantly lower than in the unvaccinate population.
None of us really have much experience with significant harms from the vaccine. All of us have treated far more clots and embolic events from the virus itself. I don’t know that I’ve got any contacts who can honestly report a DVT related to the vaccine.
All the above, is it relevant to all age groups and pre-Covid or pre-Vaxx conditions? One of the things that has made understanding Covid/vaccines so difficult for lay people is the gov't's (and a lot of medicine) incessant refusal to stop pretending everybody is the same. There are massive differences between an 80 yo heart attack survivor that's also a smoker and 50 lbs overweight, and some 40 yo guy that is both healthy and fit. So in this case, are DVT issues more prevalent with Covid in the healthy 40 yo, or is vaccination riskier for him than taking the chance he gets symptomatic Covid?
I've always believed older/weak people and younger people that are already unwell should 100% get vaccinated. It's the rest - some with natural immunity - that I don't think the vaccine makes sense for.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:24 pm to David_DJS
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All the above, is it relevant to all age groups and pre-Covid or pre-Vaxx conditions? One of the things that has made understanding Covid/vaccines so difficult for lay people is the gov't's (and a lot of medicine) incessant refusal to stop pretending everybody is the same. There are massive differences between an 80 yo heart attack survivor that's also a smoker and 50 lbs overweight, and some 40 yo guy that is both healthy and fit. So in this case, are DVT issues more prevalent with Covid in the healthy 40 yo, or is vaccination riskier for him than taking the chance he gets symptomatic Covid?
Yeah- people aren’t at all the same. When a 20-something marathon runner tells me he didn’t get it, I ask if there is any particular reason why not. We talk about what we know and what scares each of us about the vaccine. If he decides not to get it, I sleep OK at night.
When a 60-year old uncontrolled diabetic with COPD who still smokes tells me they don’t trust what’s in it, I sort of get a little more paternalistic and explain why it’s pretty important to them in particular. And a lot of them still won’t do it. They do bother me a bit more. A lot of them have/will wind up in my ICU.
In terms of who the vaccine puts at a higher risk:
Well, the question is a little too “in a vacuum.” A family history of clots doesn’t really increase your risk of clots from the vaccine or COVID without also increasing your risk of clots for a lot of other reasons. Or, in other words, a lot of these folks have been tested or should be tested for genetic disorders that predispose them to clots and some should be on anticoagulants already. The risk of clot when on that is very low.
Generally speaking, and there’s not really anything to back this up, it’s just my opinion- most of the people that are getting clots from the shot would have gotten them from the virus anyway.
In general, anyone up until around 50 who really is healthy could probably justify not getting the vaccine to themselves, and it can be pretty reasonable. I do still recommend it, as I think the risks of COVID are higher and more severe than the risks of the vaccine in that crew- and it’s hard to predict which healthy person is going to have a hard time just because- something we see but rarely.
Now, in the pedi realm, I don’t see a big role for vaccination like is being pushed now. I just don’t see kids get sick. They have mild illness. It probably doesn’t significantly reduce their ability to transmit it to home contacts. I’m not certain of why there is a sudden push other than for the sake of it. I think it is probably pretty safe in them, too, but I don’t really like doing things with limited upside while taking on limited risk.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:26 pm to Godfather1
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I thought a mask didn’t keep you from getting it, it only kept you from spreading it?
Maybe he was wearing it backwards.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:30 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Generally speaking, and there’s not really anything to back this up, it’s just my opinion- most of the people that are getting clots from the shot would have gotten them from the virus anyway.
in your opinion, which is more dangerous--a blood clot or covid?
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:30 pm to moneyg
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Which vaccine did you get?
moderna
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:32 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Now, in the pedi realm, I don’t see a big role for vaccination like is being pushed now. I just don’t see kids get sick. They have mild illness. It probably doesn’t significantly reduce their ability to transmit it to home contacts.
Yeah I dont get this either. Our 6 month old just had a typical sickness with covid. Low grade fever, snoty nose.
Hospital didnt think it was a big deal, but still turns around and says that 5-11 year olds needs to be vaccinated.
I want to say 40% of the cases where I live are kids under the age of 12 because many of the adults have already had it. These kids arent dying or even getting hospitalized.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:32 pm to jonnyanony
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"Steroid" is an insanely broad term that encompasses a lot of dissonant things.
okay, so I am at the VA, and I get TRT through the VA, and they offered to give me my injection. Test is not bad for covid. There are studies out there that proved this shite wrong early on, and that validated it for me. I declined because why bother at this point.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:34 pm to touchdownjeebus
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moderna
I got J&J. So did wife. Wife still not symptomatic
then again she never had side effects from the vax like me. Shes got some undiagnosed autoimmune issue, but hers isnt a lack of autoimmune response. It's an overactive immune response.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:34 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Generally speaking, and there’s not really anything to back this up, it’s just my opinion- most of the people that are getting clots from the shot would have gotten them from the virus anyway.
Again, I appreciate the feedback.
When you make the point that an otherwise healthy person getting clots from the vaccine would have gotten them from the virus anyway, are you saying this is true of all that get the virus, or just those that wind up with symptomatic Covid?
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:38 pm to gaetti15
UPDATE:
doc feels confident that I will be fine, but I knew that. I will be here a week as they regulate my oxygen. no butthole surgery until I am home and well for at least a month.
I appreciate the kind thoughts and prayers, but appreciate the dialogue and the respect between opposing views more. We obviously cannot rely on the media or government to shoot straight with us. In my opinion the answer is not with the anti vaxxers or the vax acolytes either. its somewhere in the middle, and it is doused in common sense. having a doc shoot straight is awesome. my PCP is one of those guys. one of these ladies who treated me is not, and I frustrated her by simply asking questions. how dare I do such a thing...
doc feels confident that I will be fine, but I knew that. I will be here a week as they regulate my oxygen. no butthole surgery until I am home and well for at least a month.
I appreciate the kind thoughts and prayers, but appreciate the dialogue and the respect between opposing views more. We obviously cannot rely on the media or government to shoot straight with us. In my opinion the answer is not with the anti vaxxers or the vax acolytes either. its somewhere in the middle, and it is doused in common sense. having a doc shoot straight is awesome. my PCP is one of those guys. one of these ladies who treated me is not, and I frustrated her by simply asking questions. how dare I do such a thing...
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:47 pm to stout
quote:Except when Trump took it.
AKA poison
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:48 pm to Jake88
Didn't Trump get Regeneron??
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:49 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:What? Apparently a lot happened between the OP and my skipping to his last post.
doc feels confident that I will be fine, but I knew that. I will be here a week as they regulate my oxygen. no butthole surgery until I am home and well for at least a month
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:49 pm to tiger91
He also got Remdesivir.
Here is a shitty headline by Yahoo news...
Here is a shitty headline by Yahoo news...
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Remdesivir, hailed — and taken — by Trump, doesn't work for coronavirus, World Health Organization declares
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:51 pm to Logician
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in your opinion, which is more dangerous--a blood clot or covid
This feels like a loaded question that would take far more nuance to answer than I could realistically get into here.
If it was a serious question, it feels like you equate the risk of clot from vaccination with the risk of COVID. These aren’t equivalent numbers.
Probably the best answer based on the actual question asked is: it depends
Comparing illnesses that are in alike is not practical or a useful exercise. If you mean to ask “does the risk of clot from vaccination bother me more than the risk of COVID itself?” Then the answer is no- COVID is more likely to cause a problem.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 3:59 pm to David_DJS
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When you make the point that an otherwise healthy person getting clots from the vaccine would have gotten them from the virus anyway, are you saying this is true of all that get the virus, or just those that wind up with symptomatic Covid?
I think some severe cases and death are inevitable- same is true of almost any disease.
I think the events happen in people who would have had severe, symptomatic COVID cases and/or thrombotic/embolic events from the virus or the vaccine, whichever was given first.
Again, that’s an “off the cuff” worth nothing opinion. Basically, some people are screwed no matter what, unfortunately.
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